You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Two days in a row bruh.

Bruh you explained it as Utah would have a cap hit if he retired. You are the one taking the L. You can't spell Handlogten's Hero without the L, never forget.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I would be thrilled to have Rozier on a cheap contract, but I don’t know how much better he is than a $4 million a year player (I really don’t know).

The bigger issue is if this is something the franchise is gunning for, not a fringe signing or down-the-list of priorities, and that they might still so ****ing gung ho on keeping a good player that we know doesn’t fit.

 

[LoPo]

Because he’s better at basketball, cheap, and already here.

But he doesn’t stay healthy.

Neto isn't better. No GM in NBA history would take Neto over Rozier.

Cheap and here sure. As they say, a bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush. An injured bird, but a bird nonetheless.

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[LoPo]

I would be thrilled to have Rozier on a cheap contract, but I don’t know how much better he is than a $4 million a year player (I really don’t know).

The bigger issue is if this is something the franchise is gunning for, not a fringe signing or down-the-list of priorities, and that they might still so ****ing gung ho on keeping a good player that we know doesn’t fit.

Rozier's value depends on Donovan more than anyone else. What does he think of Rozier?

My fan opinion is that Rozier is a fantastic bulldog type we need at PG if we keep Donovan at SG. He could share PG with Exum to give us pretty damn good PG depth and defense. Rozier doesn't have to have the ball but he can attack and get streaky hot.

I would put Rozier about 7th or 8th on my list of targets, but I would love to have him if the others fall through.

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[Roy_McAvoy]

If the Jazz really do think they want to bring Favors back, I think there's some real smoke to this Terry Rozier thing. I think it's pretty dang likely he ends up on the Jazz if they bring back Favors. Especially after he talks to Jae Crowder I'm sure.

Rozier has a huge chip on his shoulder now and can really get after it on defense. He's also tight with Mitchell. If that were to happen one huge caveat though IMO is the Jazz still have to find someway to also land a Mirotic, JaMychel Green, Jabari Parker, etc. that can stretch the floor from the 4 position.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bruh you explained it as Utah would have a cap hit if he retired. You are the one taking the L. You can't spell Handlogten's Hero without the L, never forget.

Dan Clayton says the cap hit stays if he retires... Only way it comes off is under medical retirement. Would take a year and he doesn't have a medical issue. ​

http://saltcityhoops.com/offseason-qa-1-favors-korver-current/



CBA FAQs says addresses this...

13. Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries? What is cap room? What is a cap hold?
A team's cap room (referred to simply as "room" in the CBA) refers to its ability to sign players to free agent contracts. If a team is above the cap, then its room is limited to the exceptions it possesses. If the team is below the cap, then its room is how far it is below the cap when all salaries and cap holds are included. Cap holds are "placeholders" for players the team is expected to sign in the future. For example, a team is expected to sign its unsigned first round draft pick, so an amount is reserved for this signing in the form of a cap hold. A team $10 million below the cap with $4 million in cap holds therefore has $6 million in room. A team $5 million under the cap with $6 million in cap holds is not considered to be under the cap at all, and must use exceptions to sign players. The following are included in team salary:

• Salaries of all active and inactive players1, including likely bonuses.
• The full season salary of any players the team acquires in midseason trades.
• Salaries paid or payable to waived players, minus any set-off amounts2 and subject to the Stretch provision (see question number 65).
• Any salary still being paid to retired players (see question number 61).

Keep stacking them Ls... waiver process yesterday... retirement cap hit... then doubling down declaring me to be the one taking the L

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Rozier's value depends on Donovan more than anyone else. What does he think of Rozier?

My fan opinion is that Rozier is a fantastic bulldog type we need at PG if we keep Donovan at SG. He could share PG with Exum to give us pretty damn good PG depth and defense. Rozier doesn't have to have the ball but he can attack and get streaky hot.

I would put Rozier about 7th or 8th on my list of targets, but I would love to have him if the others fall through.

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Players make for bad GMs.

I think people who think Rozier is good are basing it largely on a really solid playoff run last year. The overwhelming evidence on the guy seems to indicate he is average. As a restricted guy I don't see us getting him on a bargain deal. I think Boston matches anything in the 4/40 realm... so the question with him is... is he worth 4/52-60+ that it will take to make them not match.... I'm not fully sure he's worth 4/40 so I'd be out.

With a more consistent role and starters minutes he could improve but it's really a guess and I'm not paying a premium to guess on a pg.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Players make for bad GMs.

I think people who think Rozier is good are basing it largely on a really solid playoff run last year. The overwhelming evidence on the guy seems to indicate he is average. As a restricted guy I don't see us getting him on a bargain deal. I think Boston matches anything in the 4/40 realm... so the question with him is... is he worth 4/52-60+ that it will take to make them not match.... I'm not fully sure he's worth 4/40 so I'd be out.

With a more consistent role and starters minutes he could improve but it's really a guess and I'm not paying a premium to guess on a pg.

At that price tag, I wouldn't even consider it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

At that price tag, I wouldn't even consider it.

Like how much different is Langston Galloway (who we could likely trade for with no real assets going back) from Terry Rozier. Both pg types that don't create, play solid defense, and can make catch and shoot threes at an okay rate?

The myth of Terry is better than actual Terry.

 

[LoPo]

If the Jazz really do think they want to bring Favors back, I think there's some real smoke to this Terry Rozier thing. I think it's pretty dang likely he ends up on the Jazz if they bring back Favors. Especially after he talks to Jae Crowder I'm sure.

Rozier has a huge chip on his shoulder now and can really get after it on defense. He's also tight with Mitchell. If that were to happen one huge caveat though IMO is the Jazz still have to find someway to also land a Mirotic, JaMychel Green, Jabari Parker, etc. that can stretch the floor from the 4 position.

Lets say we keep Favors at $18 and Korver retires. We would have around $20 million to spend. I think that is plenty to Rozier and some other scorer.

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[NUMBERICA]

I don't think Mitchell is trying to play with his best friends and lose. Mitchell is trying to win and can be best friends with anyone, so let's stop wasting our time with this silly narrative.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Lets say we keep Favors at $18 and Korver retires. We would have around $20 million to spend. I think that is plenty to Rozier and some other scorer.

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What real scorer is going to be had for ~$10 million? Really, give us names.

And paying $18 million for a backup center is absolutely insane.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lets say we keep Favors at $18 and Korver retires. We would have around $20 million to spend. I think that is plenty to Rozier and some other scorer.

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When Kyrie leaves Boston has no reason to not match anything that is a fair offer for Rozier... so if you really want him he may cost $15-20M by himself.

They have no reasonable way of using the cap to replace him if they lose him and will have a need to fill... they have no problem waiting guys out either. They will match almost anything unless it's crazy and will move him later if they need to.

For a variety of reason I wouldn't target him... if he was unrestricted then sure.

 

[LoPo]

What real scorer is going to be had for ~$10 million? Really, give us names.

And paying $18 million for a backup center is absolutely insane.

Gerald Green
Wes Matthews
Vince Carter
Tyreke Evans
Garrett Temple
Reggie Bullock
Furkan Korkmaz
Mike Scott
Jamal Crawford
Seth Curry

All those guys should be full MLE (under $9) or less. And all of them should be fine coming off the bench.

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[NUMBERICA]

Gerald Green
Wes Matthews
Vince Carter
Tyreke Evans
Garrett Temple
Reggie Bullock
Furkan Korkmaz
Mike Scott
Jamal Crawford
Seth Curry

All those guys should be full MLE (under $9) or less. And all of them should be fine coming off the bench.

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This is what you propose we acquire to become contenders? This is embarrassing.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What real scorer is going to be had for ~$10 million? Really, give us names.

And paying $18 million for a backup center is absolutely insane.

The smoke about Favs is concerning. He is a starter caliber center... but if you can't play him in that role he isn't worth $18m... if they guarantee his contract to get something in trade for him then awesome, but the narrative about wanting to keep him and forego addressing multiple other needs is dumb AF.

Backup center is the easiest need to fill in the league... you can get a quality piece on the cheap. Keeping Favors is not the best use of our assets and space. He's a great player and dude, but most teams aren't playing one guy who can't create or shoot... we want to roll with two? Getting a cost effective backup on a multi-year deal may be a better on court solution for multiple years that will allow us to address other needs in FA but DL can't freaking let go.

 

[LoPo]

When Kyrie leaves Boston has no reason to not match anything that is a fair offer for Rozier... so if you really want him he may cost $15-20M by himself.

They have no reasonable way of using the cap to replace him if they lose him and will have a need to fill... they have no problem waiting guys out either. They will match almost anything unless it's crazy and will move him later if they need to.

For a variety of reason I wouldn't target him... if he was unrestricted then sure.

You're right.

I said I would take Rozier at the right cost but not at the wrong cost. And I doubt we get Rozier for the reasons you listed.

I'd still take him. Maybe he demands to be let go and forces Boston's hand. Bring back a guy who doesn't want to be there or just let him leave. Boston might want the cap space this summer since Jaylen Brown will eat it the next.

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[NUMBERICA]

The smoke about Favs is concerning. He is a starter caliber center... but if you can't play him in that role he isn't worth $18m... if they guarantee his contract to get something in trade for him then awesome, but the narrative about wanting to keep him and forego addressing multiple other needs is dumb AF.

Backup center is the easiest need to fill in the league... you can get a quality piece on the cheap. Keeping Favors is not the best use of our assets and space. He's a great player and dude, but most teams aren't playing one guy who can't create or shoot... we want to roll with two? Getting a cost effective backup on a multi-year deal may be a better on court solution for multiple years that will allow us to address other needs in FA but DL can't freaking let go.

He operates as though he's some dullard fan that always thinks "we're just some lucky breaks from a championship, because golly, our guys are just the best in the whole wide world."

DUDE, YOUR ROSTER DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

 

[LoPo]

This is what you propose we acquire to become contenders? This is embarrassing.

One of these plus Rozier plus Favors is better than last year.

You name the guy or guys we can actually get who are going to make us contenders.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Gerald Green
Wes Matthews
Vince Carter
Tyreke Evans
Garrett Temple
Reggie Bullock
Furkan Korkmaz
Mike Scott
Jamal Crawford
Seth Curry

All those guys should be full MLE (under $9) or less. And all of them should be fine coming off the bench.

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This is what you propose we acquire to become contenders? This is embarrassing.

DL's press conference introducing Terry Rozier on a 4/60M contract and Gerald Green on a 3/15M...

"guys we did it!" throw in some quotes on playoff experience, Jazz DNA, bull dawgs, as well as some handpad balance test results... maybe mention how you think Terry could become our Tony Parker or some **** like he did with Ricky and Jason Kidd.