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Dennis Lindsey promoted to VP of basketball operations. Justin Zanik promoted to GM

If not for Sloan we wouldn't have gobert lol

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Handlogten's Heros said:
Some of this isn't fair. He laid all the groundwork for the Denver trade... not like that came out of the blue sky. Can't pass off his good picks as lucky and bad ones as being a bad drafter.

I will say that some of this is fair criticism... I'd add he's sold off a **** ton of second rounders on draft night for cash because "there wasn't anyone they liked"... He seems to narrow in on the guys he wants to early and doesn't "like" enough guys.
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True. I hate that he gets put up on this pedestal by some.

“Oh he drafted Gobert, he is so smart”

No, he isn’t. If he was smart he would have taken Gobert at 14 or 20 and not traded for Burke.

“Oh, he loved Mitchell. He found his guy and went and got him.”

Again, no. He liked Mitchell. He floated ideas to Denver. But at the end of the day, Denver called us and offered us the trade. Yes, he did lay some groundwork for the deal, but in the end, Denver offered us the deal.

If DL was as good as everyone says, he wouldn’t have screwed up the Hayward situation so much. He wouldn’t have lost Hayward for nothing. He wouldn’t have blown up a team with Millsap for Exum. He wouldn’t have made the trade that allowed GS to become GS. He wouldn’t have traded Giannis and Gobert (who the Jazz has as their #1 choices at 14 and 20) for Burke.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What does this mean exactly??? Like who was the executive VP of whatever the hell title DL just got before?

Is DL passing the buck to Zanik? I have a hard time believing that DL isnt the guy ultimately calling the shots.

This is kinda weird to me...
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It’s musical chairs. Jazz, and league, values Zanik highly. This is just ensuring that a quality guy stays with the FO. As people grow in their job you have to pay them sometimes to keep them.
 
green said:
True. I hate that he gets put up on this pedestal by some.

“Oh he drafted Gobert, he is so smart”

No, he isn’t. If he was smart he would have taken Gobert at 14 or 20 and not traded for Burke.

“Oh, he loved Mitchell. He found his guy and went and got him.”

Again, no. He liked Mitchell. He floated ideas to Denver. But at the end of the day, Denver called us and offered us the trade. Yes, he did lay some groundwork for the deal, but in the end, Denver offered us the deal.

If DL was as good as everyone says, he wouldn’t have screwed up the Hayward situation so much. He wouldn’t have lost Hayward for nothing. He wouldn’t have blown up a team with Millsap for Exum. He wouldn’t have made the trade that allowed GS to become GS. He wouldn’t have traded Giannis and Gobert (who the Jazz has as their #1 choices at 14 and 20) for Burke.
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Why don't you apply to be the new GM? You seem like an over qualified couch GM and could use a promotion. Any team would be lucky to have you.


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Handlogten's Heros said:
I think it is kinda just a new title and paycheck... I'm guessing not a lot changes day to day... maybe in a year or two more responsibility transfers. I think that they both get new business cards but very little changes.
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Yeah, it seems like this was done just to give Zanik a new job title and a raise because they were afraid of losing him. I doubt much actually changes with the day to day operations.
 
Who has zanik drafted?


Zanik has a good rep it seems, jazz want to keep him.smart move, watching the lakers situation and watching ownership make sure this isnt a **** show.
Good move.
 
green said:
True. I hate that he gets put up on this pedestal by some.

“Oh he drafted Gobert, he is so smart”

No, he isn’t. If he was smart he would have taken Gobert at 14 or 20 and not traded for Burke.

“Oh, he loved Mitchell. He found his guy and went and got him.”

Again, no. He liked Mitchell. He floated ideas to Denver. But at the end of the day, Denver called us and offered us the trade. Yes, he did lay some groundwork for the deal, but in the end, Denver offered us the deal.

If DL was as good as everyone says, he wouldn’t have screwed up the Hayward situation so much. He wouldn’t have lost Hayward for nothing. He wouldn’t have blown up a team with Millsap for Exum. He wouldn’t have made the trade that allowed GS to become GS. He wouldn’t have traded Giannis and Gobert (who the Jazz has as their #1 choices at 14 and 20) for Burke.
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I agree with some of those criticisms... I think he is a good GM but people act like he walks on water. He did not properly assess nba salary cap landscape multiple times. Hayward negotiation was part of that but also not signing free agents, or offering anything meaningful, for guys the year before the cap exploded. A few of the guys we are trying to get this summer were guys that signed bargain deals (that seemed like overpays to those that didn't know the lay of the land) and we didn't do anything. What do we have to show for all the powder we saved those years? Booker, Diaw, , joe Johnson, Thabo, Jerebko, Favs on duct tape one or two year deals. I don't know that we could have signed Middleton or Harris, but we could have offered more than they accepted.

My biggest criticisms of DL are:

- The over conservative cap approach... the powder is so dry, but it does no good if you never use it. This is the big one for me.
- Selling second round picks (small quibble, but you hit on one of those picks and it changes your franchise... why not take a swing?)
- Drafting of Tony Bradley... never made sense at all. Makes less sense now... several guys around that range could have really helped. It's a late first so no big deal I guess.
- Not taking the low hanging fruit that would improve the team... we know we need a stretch four, we know we need more shooting, and yet we don't make the necessary changes. Hanging on to ill fitting pieces to get more data... when the data is conclusive enough already.
 
tonstermits said:
Based on potentially unreliable sources on twitter it appears they wanted to keep Zanik and this was the best way to do it.
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This was my initial reaction as well - a way to keep Zanik with the organization. He has apparently been interviewed for other jobs and they don't want to lose him.
 
Based on where we’ve been drafting, DL has done great. Getting two foundational pieces with only two top-10 picks in 8 years is pretty damn good. It’s not like any of his first round picks have been total busts either, they’re all still in the NBA
 
So zanik was with the jazz and then went to the bucks in 2016-17 and then back to the jazz

What am i missing here? He hasnt rly done much, but I guess the FO trusts he is ready.
 
In 2017 he was an asst gm for the bucks and he wanted a head GM position, but got ghosted for somebody with less experience, and decided to get back to the jazz?
 
I’d imagine this is nothing. KOC was never the “GM,” as we didn’t even have that title. He was VP of basketball operations. When we hired DL, he became the GM, but didn’t really do anything until a year or more later when KOC stepped away. But KOC never relinquished that title (at least nobody replaced it), so the real question is where’s KOC?
 
infection said:
I’d imagine this is nothing. KOC was never the “GM,” as we didn’t even have that title. He was VP of basketball operations. When we hired DL, he became the GM, but didn’t really do anything until a year or more later when KOC stepped away. But KOC never relinquished that title (at least nobody replaced it), so the real question is where’s KOC?
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I've wondered this for years.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
the powder is so dry, but it does no good if you never use it. This is the big one for me.
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The powder is so dry that it risks self-ignition just by looking at it. And not the kind of explosion you can harness to parlay that energy into something useful, but the kind that blows up in your face and ignites your garage into flames, risking losing your house.

At the very least, we could have at least used it to have a fun, yet controlled, explosion in the backyard. That would have been a better idea than inadvertently setting the house ablaze.
 
Anyway, I'm going to view this as a positive:
-Puts Lindsey farther from the players, which would likely make it easier for him to part with players
-Zanik will likely want to leave his mark, which would likely make it easier to part with players (in favor of other players)
-Change portends a greater chance for further change. Things need to change and this is the offseason for it.
-Cleans up the hierarchy in the organization (I couldn't figure out where Zanik and Morway sorted out before this)
 
infection said:
I’d imagine this is nothing. KOC was never the “GM,” as we didn’t even have that title. He was VP of basketball operations. When we hired DL, he became the GM, but didn’t really do anything until a year or more later when KOC stepped away. But KOC never relinquished that title (at least nobody replaced it), so the real question is where’s KOC?
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NUMBERICA said:
I've wondered this for years.
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Zanik takes off his Scooby Doo face mask to reveal.... KOC... "I'm back bitches! Does anyone know Al Jefferson's number?"
 
Tony Jones just confirmed this is specifically free agency-related.

My hunch is they are gunning for Middleton. Speculation: Zanik and Khris had a good relationship in Milwaukee, and Khris was displeased when The Bucks kind stabbed him in the back. The Jazz might have a hunch he’s willing to come, and promoting Zanik is a way of putting their money where their mouths are with their commitment to him (I.e., we aren’t gonna just let him walk a year after you sign here.
 
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