Florida's debated welfare drug-screen measure kicks in

[Gameface]

(CNN) -- A controversial law requiring adults applying for welfare assistance to undergo drug screening has gone into effect in Florida.
Saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Gov. Rick Scott signed the legislation in June.
"It's the right thing for taxpayers," Scott said after signing the measure. "It's the right thing for citizens of this state that need public assistance. We don't want to waste tax dollars. And also, we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs."

https://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/02/florida.drug.tests.welfare/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I find this interesting and can't understand what people have against it.

I'm for the legalization of drugs, all drugs. I think employers should also be allowed to drug test and deny employment or terminate employment based on it, even if the drugs found are legal.

 

[bigb]

The legalization of drugs is another issue altogether. I find it absolutely sickening when people can't afford food or to go to the doctor, but they're never without their beer or cigarettes, my mother-in-law included.

 

[LogGrad98]

The legalization of drugs is another issue altogether. I find it absolutely sickening when people can't afford food or to go to the doctor, but they're never without their beer or cigarettes, my mother-in-law included.

Or their cell phone, can't forget their cell phones. Won't buy their kids vegetables and won't go to the doctor, but they buy plenty of beer and cigarettes and carry smart-phones.




I love anecdotal evidence.

 

[Gameface]

Or their cell phone, can't forget their cell phones. Won't buy their kids vegetables and won't go to the doctor, but they buy plenty of beer and cigarettes and carry smart-phones.




I love anecdotal evidence.

And drive Escalades

 

[moevillini]

well at least they're not driving Cadillacs anymore

 

[TroutBum]

I approve of Florida. (minus the whole rigged election/Jeb Bush thing)

 

[candrew]

I just put 40 vials of my urine on E-Bay.

 

[Hantlers]

Best idea Florida's ever had.

 

[sktwstdfrk]

You apply to a job, they hire you. They drug test you when you start the job before they give you their money.
You want welfare, the state drug tests you before they give you their (our) money.

So, where is the problem?

 

[bigb]

And drive Escalades

well at least they're not driving Cadillacs anymore

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

You apply to a job, they hire you. They drug test you when you start the job before they give you their money.
You want welfare, the state drug tests you before they give you their (our) money.

So, where is the problem?

Example One. You test positive and go on welfare helping to buy food for your kids and pay the bills.
Example Two. You test positive and your kids are ****ed every which way but Wednesday.

It's not as black and white as I or anyone else here is making it.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

The legalization of drugs is another issue altogether. I find it absolutely sickening when people can't afford food or to go to the doctor, but they're never without their beer or cigarettes, my mother-in-law included.

a related note. I used to work at a gas station and people would try to buy beer with food stamps and store policy (and law I believe) is that they couldn't. So they would hang out and offer to buy someone food with their food stamps in exchange for them buying beer. Some time they would give 20 bucks worth of food stamps for 10 bucks worth of beer.

 

[Gameface]

well at least they're not driving Cadillacs anymore

 

[sktwstdfrk]

Example One. You test positive and go on welfare helping to buy food for your kids and pay the bills.
Example Two. You test positive and your kids are ****ed every which way but Wednesday.

It's not as black and white as I or anyone else here is making it.

Uhh, yeah it is....DON'T DO F'IN DRUGS!

 

[The Thriller]

Wait, who drives Escalades?

I've only seen Mormon Moms whose husbands either work as lawyers up in SL or work at the Provo hospital. Never anyone on welfare.

I guess that's what I get for living in Utah County....

On the surface, this law helps satisfy a lot of angry emotions.

But then once that annoying piece of crap known as the brain kicks in, it tells otherwise. How much more are the drug tests going to cost the state? How many people is it really going to prevent to offset the administrative costs? And are drug tests all of a sudden fool proof now?

I think asking people to use their welfare money wisely is probably a good idea. They need to be accountable. But I wonder if this really helps?

 

[moevillini]

And drive Escalades

well at least they're not driving Cadillacs anymore

uh, I musta been on drugs when I posted that...




yeah, I started my post before Gameface's was up, but my computer hiccupped and by the time my post appeared, his had gotten in first - I thought about editing but I was too lazy

 

[bat]

Example One. You test positive and go on welfare helping to buy food for your kids and pay the bills.
Example Two. You test positive and your kids are ****ed every which way but Wednesday.

It's not as black and white as I or anyone else here is making it.

Exactly this. The punishment is going to be felt by the kids of these junkies who can't eat anymore more than the adults who can't get their fix.

 

[Gameface]

Exactly this. The punishment is going to be felt by the kids of these junkies who can't eat anymore more than the adults who can't get their fix.

lol, it's not a punishment. It is one of many requirements that must be met before being given assistance.

That's the funny thing about programs like this. When a person isn't able to stand on their own two feet and others provide for their survival the people footing the bill feel entitled to set the terms of the arrangement. It is essentially a parent/child relationship. Programs like this never further the cause of equality. They never empower the recipient. They deepen the dependence of the poor and along the way provide poor people with a sense of justification and entitlement.

I suppose we are punishing millions of families in Africa? Or are you able to see that the children in Africa are not our responsibility, just as the children of a crack-head are not my responsibility. Or are African, or Mexican, or Chinese children just not deserving of our support because they're not Americans? Does the value of Human life vary depending on nationality, or distance from you, or by race? Why is it okay for some children to starve yet my responsibility to feed children who actually wouldn't starve even without the government programs.

 

[bat]

Well, since you choose to live in the US and pay taxes you are claiming responsibility for the children of crack heads. We're all looking out for each other, that's how our leaders designed the country.

 

[JohnStockalypse]

Well, since you choose to live in the US and pay taxes you are claiming responsibility for the children of crack heads. We're all looking out for each other, that's how our leaders designed the country.

Holy. ****ing. ****. No.