You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I did support the don't give a first for Niko at that trade deadline, so I won't cry about the trade. Last year I wouldn't have traded for him either because he was hurt. I think it was a decent risk and that was how I called it without the benefit of hindsight. I thought we were going to miss the playoffs and should have considered going that way... I was really wrong... @infection nailed it that year and never lost faith. Had I known it was a pick in the low/mid 20s and not a lotto or late teens pick I might have been pro trading Burks and a first for Niko.

My issue is I think he'd come here for around 12-13M per year, but only if he is projected as a starter. Retaining Favs causes some issues with getting a decent stretch 4 in because I don't think they would guarantee him 18M just to be a backup 5. Maybe I listen to TJ too much, but I don't think our front office will swap Favs for Niko and consider it an upgrade. I would.

If we went with Niko now we'd need a little more playmaking from the perimeter still. He'd help address one of our issues and I do think Quin could do some things with him. I think we'd need some other things to break our way, but that he could be part of the answer.

Not you to.

The Mirotic trade changes the trajectory of that season for the worse. If DL does that trade, Jazz miss the playoffs and everyone wants to hang DL when we dont get Kevin Huerter/Troy Brown/Lonnie Walker/Michael Porter/Etc.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not you to.

The Mirotic trade changes the trajectory of that season for the worse. If DL does that trade, Jazz miss the playoffs and everyone wants to hang DL when we dont get Kevin Huerter/Troy Brown/Lonnie Walker/Michael Porter/Etc.

Ehhhh… I'm not sure any of that is true. I said I was against the trade at the time. I also said I might have considered it... didn't say I would definitely do it. I thought NO overpaid.

I'm saying @infection was right in that he said all along we would make the playoffs when 90% of the board was ready to tank the effs outta that B. Whether he was right on what Niko would do for us or if the price was right no one knows. I am not a fan of going back and undoing one huge move and then trying to think of how that would change everything... way too many variables to consider.

Like what if we send AB in the trade with our pick then decide to operate as a cap space team and sign a guy or two... its just too hard to undo everything. We could have also made the playoffs but played someone other than OKC and lost... or lost to OKC.

 

[LoPo]

I've never been that big on Mirotic. He's a solid player, but he's a defensive liability. I always thought he was more of a shooter than a scorer. Right now, we need a scorer more than just a guy who can shoot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So the AD deal sounds like it will expand out to 3rd teams to provide either picks for players they don't necessarily want or players for picks they don't value as highly.

I wonder if Kuzma/Ingram would get re-routed I don't think we could get either with what we can give.

If they didn't want Knox (not sure why many are giving up on him so early... rookies aren't good... it happens) I wonder if we'd have interest.

I'm not sure we could snake anything really good with our pick this year or next, but just thought there might be something you could sneak in and get fi the right opportunity pops up.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I've never been that big on Mirotic. He's a solid player, but he's a defensive liability. I always thought he was more of a shooter than a scorer. Right now, we need a scorer more than just a guy who can shoot.

And we need a guy that can shoot much more than we need a center playing alongside a better center.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ehhhh… I'm not sure any of that is true. I said I was against the trade at the time. I also said I might have considered it... didn't say I would definitely do it. I thought NO overpaid.

I'm saying @infection was right in that he said all along we would make the playoffs when 90% of the board was ready to tank the effs outta that B. Whether he was right on what Niko would do for us or if the price was right no one knows. I am not a fan of going back and undoing one huge move and then trying to think of how that would change everything... way too many variables to consider.

Like what if we send AB in the trade with our pick then decide to operate as a cap space team and sign a guy or two... its just too hard to undo everything. We could have also made the playoffs but played someone other than OKC and lost... or lost to OKC.

They didnt want AB though because he wasnt expiring.

 

[fishonjazz]

Not you to.

The Mirotic trade changes the trajectory of that season for the worse. If DL does that trade, Jazz miss the playoffs and everyone wants to hang DL when we dont get Kevin Huerter/Troy Brown/Lonnie Walker/Michael Porter/Etc.

Lmao

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[latin jazz]

Truth.
I also didn't expect whoever we drafted to help us much.

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It seems the Jazz were really high on some prospects, specially if we landed were most people expected us to finish (lottery or high teens ). It was pretty clear at the time we were not trading that pick for 1.5 years of Niko. It would have been nice to add him at the time but the risk & price was high for a role player that wasn't exactly bringing a championship to Salt Lake.

In hindsight, I'm ok we didn't trade the first. I'm quite optimistic about Allen. And we could get Niko for peanuts now, after he was exposed in the playoffs (and basically having a terrible year). The timing might be better now, just when our window into contention could open

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And we need a guy that can shoot much more than we need a center playing alongside a better center.

He's more than a stand still shooter... has more to his game. He's not great on defense, but he's not as bad as some people make him out to be. He's a decent rebounder and he's tall so he gets a block here and there... there are some positives... he's not a total zero on that end.

I do think if we had a guy like him that was a target defensively that teams might try and get him on the switch leaving Rudy to hang around the paint. I don't think he's the type that totally compromises your defense.

I'd love to have a playmaking, shooting, great defender at the 4... I would, but not even Tobias checks all those boxes and teams will be lining up to hand him the max. If you get Niko maybe you can find a perimeter guy (at any position 1-3) that can add some playmaking.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They didnt want AB though because he wasnt expiring.

Neither was the guy they traded for... but AB could actually get on the floor... Asik could not.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They didnt want AB though because he wasnt expiring.

Neither was the guy they traded for... but AB could actually get on the floor... Asik could not.

Asik cost them the same cap space AB would have plus he is owed $3M next year... so they didn't get an expiring and AB's contract would have been more palatable imo.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Neither was the guy they traded for... but AB could actually get on the floor... Asik could not.

They didnt care about getting on the floor. Pelicans gave them a better pick and Im pretty sure Asik's contract wasnt full guaranteed the next year (could be wrong).

 

[LoPo]

And we need a guy that can shoot much more than we need a center playing alongside a better center.

I see what you did there.

Korver is an amazing shooter, but his defense is a liability. He didn't play in the Houston series at all. Mirotic is a shooter with poor defense. He played less and less as the playoffs went along.

Favors plays really good defense and is there when Gobert needs a break. He would actually play more than Mirotic once we realize Mirotic plays awful defense and can't score without being left wide open.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They didnt care about getting on the floor. Pelicans gave them a better pick and Im pretty sure Asik's contract wasnt full guaranteed the next year (could be wrong).

That's fine I was addressing your issue though with the AB inclusion is all. Asik was guaranteed last year... has $3M guaranteed next year.

 

[LoPo]

So the AD deal sounds like it will expand out to 3rd teams to provide either picks for players they don't necessarily want or players for picks they don't value as highly.

I wonder if Kuzma/Ingram would get re-routed I don't think we could get either with what we can give.

If they didn't want Knox (not sure why many are giving up on him so early... rookies aren't good... it happens) I wonder if we'd have interest.

I'm not sure we could snake anything really good with our pick this year or next, but just thought there might be something you could sneak in and get fi the right opportunity pops up.

If we are willing to take on Solomon Hill's $13.3 for next year, we could be players in the trade. Doubt we could get Kuzma, but he would be ideal. I would take a chance on Knox and Ntilikina.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I see what you did there.

Korver is an amazing shooter, but his defense is a liability. He didn't play in the Houston series at all. Mirotic is a shooter with poor defense. He played less and less as the playoffs went along.

Favors plays really good defense and is there when Gobert needs a break. He would actually play more than Mirotic once we realize Mirotic plays awful defense and can't score without being left wide open.

Korver was hurt... like he looked like a mummy out there. Niko hit a slump in the wrong part of the season. He also had to integrate into a team when he wasn't healthy so never really had much of a rhythm. Guys that can't shoot, dribble, or create offense get less playing time as the playoffs advance.

Niko gets like 9 threes off per 36... he doesn't need to be wide open. It's fine if you prefer Favs but make a more accurate assessment of his game. He's streaky AF which is good and bad. He may give you 5/6 threes and win a game by himself... when he isn't making them though players still rotate out which creates space.

Danny Green and FVV went through big slumps in the playoffs... it happens... look at them now.

 

[infection]

While improvement could be expected, almost no one saw that run coming. Even with Rudy, missing the playoffs was still a possibility at the time (with the deadline quickly approaching). It would have a very very risky move with all the uncertainty surrounding the pick. We were close to get him, but the Boggie injury placed NO into panic mode.

We could get Niko for small change now, just when our window is opening. Both NO and the Bucks ended up overpaying for him.

A few things from this:

1. People were very influenced by the strong emotion of how much we lost at that time that the pick became fool's gold. I argued against that unceasingly and everyone thought it was because I was an optimist, or something. No, I didn't see the 26-5 run, or whatever, but I saw us making the 7th or 8th seed. Or, at worst, having the worst pick in the lottery.

2. The Boogie injury is important because everyone was sitting around thinking we'd land Niko with second rounders and I kept arguing that the landscape changes quickly, but everyone looked around the league and said "there are no other suitors, no reason to overpay." Boogie goes down and that's that.

 

[infection]

They didnt care about getting on the floor. Pelicans gave them a better pick and Im pretty sure Asik's contract wasnt full guaranteed the next year (could be wrong).

Wait, what? First, you're saying that landing Niko changes our trajectory and we could end up with the 14th pick. Now you're saying that NO takes on more non-expiring salary with Asik because... they offered a better pick? Which one is it? Did NOP FO see us passing them in the standings?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Wait, what? First, you're saying that landing Niko changes our trajectory and we could end up with the 14th pick. Now you're saying that NO takes on more non-expiring salary with Asik because... they offered a better pick? Which one is it? Did NOP FO see us passing them in the standings?

I'm confused why you think my statements are conflicting.

New Orleans was the worse team. Getting their pick was better than Utah's.

 

[infection]

Anyway, FO isn't interested in Niko. At least not enough to move Favors out for him. I think the idea of trying to have both Niko and Favors would be silly. I think Jae is one of those guys, too, who is hurt by this fence straddling. Jae's a guy you either have to commit to or not.