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Conley Officially a Jazzman

dong2ha said:
Bet some people complained in toronto when they traded for leonard lol


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If kawhi doesn't get one of the luckiest bounces in NBA history in game 7 against the sixers then they would still be complaining.
And if the warriors were healthy they might still be complaining

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Stoked said:
Lmfao. Oh no! Not the 23rd pick!

I’ll miss Jae, while replaceable he was good for us.

Conley bolting is wild assumption. We don’t know. Let it play out. There is an “early termination” clause. But I don’t see if it’s a player or team option

Willing to bet there is protections on the 2021 pick. So not having it is conditional.

Grayson wasn’t benefiting this team. Trading him is fine.

Korver is possible retiring.

I mean, sure we paid. But the Jazz are substantially better now.
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It's almost as if there's some large clamor for the Jazz FO to do something, but once it does, clamor for action transforms into whining about the cost. As if accomplishing any significant upgrade to the roster was NOT going to cost some combination of money, players, and draft picks.

And the complaining about losing mid to later 20s draft picks (who have less than 25% chance of become rotation players) is especially curious.

Odds are we weren't going to get D-LO, plus the timing of that sucks, as if D-LO went elsewhere, our window for signing top FA would be gone. Plus, it appears the FO felt that its odds of getting Harris did not justify giving up a sure thing in Conley.
 
Not a fan of this one. I liked it when it was picks, DedEx, and filler at the trade deadline to push us over the top. Doing this now for that much is just not good. And so the treadmill continues.
 
Pastramiking said:
DL has a history of making some draft day deals, so maybe he will move up in the draft or get another pick. Fingers crossed... at least to make draft day exciting.
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According to Tony Jones the Jazz are being aggressive trying to get an early second round pick or possibly even late first if they can.
 
Jack Strop said:
Why does Andy talk about the small MLE? Jazz stay over the cap, don't they? Assuming Favors' option is picked up.
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The trade doesn't go through until the 6th, meaning the Jazz are generating capspace then using it to get Conley. Would love to have been able to stay over the cap to get all the exceptions.
 
I have as much confidence of the Jazz generating players from the Homeytennis all-stars (Jingles, Royce) than the late, late first round of a draft. The only downside of the Conley trade is that summer league is going to be unwatchable. With the lack of incoming talent from this draft, however, that was probably going to happen anyway.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Not a fan of this one. I liked it when it was picks, DedEx, and filler at the trade deadline to push us over the top. Doing this now for that much is just not good. And so the treadmill continues.
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How is adding a top five PG, one of the deadliest pick and roll guards in the game, who can create for himself and play off ball, and is a good to great defender, staying on the treadmill?

Wtf do you people expect us to give up to get a player like that? Are you really that upset about losing Grayson ****ing Allen? Cmon...
 


SMH Memphis. But it ended up working out better for them since they got Ja and Utah's pick is better now for them
 
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LogGrad98 said:
Not a fan of this one. I liked it when it was picks, DedEx, and filler at the trade deadline to push us over the top. Doing this now for that much is just not good. And so the treadmill continues.
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Wasn't it you who said a 6'2 SG wasn't a good draft pick? Pretty sure that's how I remember that.
 
The Utah Jazz acquired the one player "available" that actually bumps them up a tier. DLo doesn't do that. Him and Mitchell would be a terrible defensive tandem, tbh. Harris would've been the next best option after Conley, but not as good and not guaranteed he would've come.

DL had to acquire a 3rd star so that we could hit this window now. He did it. So what if it costs two late firsts? Who cares if it costs Grayson Allen? This is Utah's chance at a ship. Stop moping, you cowardly bitches.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Not a fan of this one. I liked it when it was picks, DedEx, and filler at the trade deadline to push us over the top. Doing this now for that much is just not good. And so the treadmill continues.
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by "filler" I think you mean "Derrick Favors"
 
RandyForRubio said:
Wasn't it you who said a 6'2 SG wasn't a good draft pick? Pretty sure that's how I remember that.
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No I was concerned that he can't jump as well off one foot. He compensates for it well, so he overcame that potential weakness.

So you are fishing to use the standard internet tough guy trope of "member that time you said that one guy was bad and now he isn't?? That means you always suck, you loser!" I will just concede that you are a much tougher keyboard warrior than I am sir, as I am sure you have never been mistaken about anything in your life. Huzzah, my good fellow, huzzah!
 
"Grade the Trade" from The Athletic's Zach Harper

Back in the summer of 2016, the Utah Jazz were over the moon with their free agent signing. They signed 35-year old veteran wing Joe Johnson to a two-year, $22 million contract. You would have thought the Jazz had just plucked LeBron James or Kevin Durant out of the free agency air. The organization was beaming at that signing because not a lot of players with significant résumés end up willingly going to Salt Lake City for their career.
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Utah wanted that signing to be the start of free agents considering Utah as a destination. Unfortunately, it hasn’t necessarily opened those doors for the Jazz front office. The stigma of that area is still attached to the minds of most NBA players outside of the team. That means when Lindsey and his front office have cap space and flexibility in their hands, they’ve got to go acquire significant players via trade, allowing that cap space to absorb bigger salaries.
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He scored 21.1 points per game while posting the second best true shooting percentage (56.9) of his career. He also dished out 6.4 assists and the second highest assist rate (33.4) of his career. He did all of this while posting a sub 10 percent turnover rate (9.1) for the third time in the last four years. Basically, Conley is extremely efficient with the ball while also playing great defense. His defense fits in perfectly with what Utah likes to do on that end of the floor, and he gambles a lot less than Rubio does.
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Being able to run pick-and-rolls with Rudy Gobert will be huge. Being able to kick out to Joe Ingles will be a big time weapon for him with the passing game. Plus, Conley is a good catch-and-shoot option from 3, which is something Rubio obviously struggled doing. Conley made 39.8 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3-pointers last year, and 43.3 percent of wide-open attempts. He gives Donovan Mitchell another weapon on the floor to stretch the court. Rubio made 33.7 percent of catch-and-shoot 3-pointers and 33.8 percent of wide-open attempts from deep last season. That’s a massive upgrade.
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The Jazz lose some wing depth with this move and wings are hyper important in today’s NBA. But losing Kyle Korver doesn’t destroy them and Jae Crowder couldn’t shoot anyway. Finding someone to replace his defense is tough but not impossible. Royce O’Neale’s emergence last year also allows them to throw more minutes his way. Grayson Allen looked promising in a couple of spots, but he’s not such a highly touted prospect at the NBA level that you can’t find someone who does what he does. The Jazz also believe in Georges Niang a lot. Even though he’s more of a stretch-4 than a wing, he can give them valuable minutes moving forward.
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Utah also still has plenty of flexibility if they want it. The Jazz have used up their cap space, essentially with this trade, but Derrick Favors’ $16.9 million salary for next season isn’t fully guaranteed until July 6th. They could waive him and use that cap space, or they can use him in a trade to acquire another player or two. Aside from the health of Conley, everything else looks like a no-brainer for Utah. His health concerns are the only thing keeping Utah from getting a perfect grade here.

Jazz Instant Reaction Grade: A-
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So did Memphis get enough in return for a borderline All-Star? Probably not. But they still received a solid haul from Utah in exchange for their best player. The biggest part of this deal is definitely the cap relief they have moving forward. Memphis has so much flexibility after this coming season. This is the final year of the dreaded Chandler Parsons contract. Jonas Valanciunas may come back in a new deal, but he’s declined his player option for next season. If they want, they can waive the final year of Avery Bradley’s contract and pay just $2 million of the $12.9 million owed to him.
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Memphis has the possibility of relief now and in the future, because their only long-term money owed outside of rookie deals is to Kyle Anderson and his $28.5 million over the next three seasons. They’re in a great cap space to do what Utah just did in a year or two by absorbing the big contract of a veteran some team is trying to move on from. That’s the ecosystem and life of a tiny market in the NBA. Maintain flexibility before taking a big swing.
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Jae Crowder is a player the Grizzlies can package pretty easily by the trade deadline in search of a pick or assets. He’s entering the final year of a deal that brings him a highly manageable $7.8 million this season. Korver has a non-guaranteed $7.5 million price tag this summer. They could trade him or waive him to allow him to sign with a contender. He could always threaten retirement if Memphis insists on waiting to trade him or release him. Grayson Allen is an interesting prospect for them. He didn’t get a ton of time in Utah in his rookie campaign, but the Jazz believed he could easily become a valuable third guard in a rotation on a good team. Plus, he can shoot.

The picks for Memphis help restock the cupboard. They can hopefully get a quality role player with the 23rd pick and then revisit what the value of the future pick is later on. Maybe they use it to fill out their future rotation or maybe they move it in a future deal. Either way, Memphis did well for creating more options for themselves as they truly start this rebuild.

Grizzlies Instant Reaction Grade: B
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