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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

@Red I disagree that the press should be engaged in reigning in and removing the president. Not the roll I want them to take. I do support them spelling out what he is, and is not, doing. But the rest of it is not the type of press I want.

And I appreciate the fact that you respectfully disagree with me. I am also not unaware of the problems that suggestion of mine would present. For one, it might push us closer to outright civil war, as we would then see a much more overt battle between Fox state media promoting lies to preserve the cult of Trump, and a liberal media advocating the overthrow of Trump. I was aware of such a potential result when I posted what I did. That said, I do believe we need more men like Edward R. Murrow, willing to take on power directly, and say what must be said. Too many Americans are sleepwalking through our times. The Murrow's of our free press need to step up.
 
And I appreciate the fact that you respectfully disagree with me. I am also not unaware of the problems that suggestion of mine would present. For one, it might push us closer to outright civil war, as we would then see a much more overt battle between Fox state media promoting lies to preserve the cult of Trump, and a liberal media advocating the overthrow of Trump. I was aware of such a potential result when I posted what I did. That said, I do believe we need more men like Edward R. Murrow, willing to take on power directly, and say what must be said. Too many Americans are sleepwalking through our times. The Murrow's of our free press need to step up.

I also don’t like the precedent it sets as far as the media telling us which presidents deserve support and which don’t. Longer view than trump.

My view of the media is that they should be as close to neutral as they can. Present the facts, if they’re completely damning to a president so be it. But we already see to many people following media blindly. I feel that this would increase that. I also don’t like how media has mixed in opinion pieces with their news dramatically blurring that line.
 
I also don’t like the precedent it sets as far as the media telling us which presidents deserve support and which don’t. Longer view than trump.

I'm reminded of an attitude, often rendered as a probably non-existent exact quote, and attributed to Thomas Jefferson, to the effect that a "little revolution" now and then does the citizens of a democracy "good". It is sometimes the role of a free press to take the lead in such movements. It's not that it sets a precedent, because the situation we find ourselves in is quite unique. We should not assume that every American generation will face a situation where their president at the time shows absolute contempt for the Constitution that defines our governance and our rights.
 
I also don’t like the precedent it sets as far as the media telling us which presidents deserve support and which don’t. Longer view than trump.

My view of the media is that they should be as close to neutral as they can. Present the facts, if they’re completely damning to a president so be it. But we already see to many people following media blindly. I feel that this would increase that. I also don’t like how media has mixed in opinion pieces with their news dramatically blurring that line.

I'm aware that it can be pointed out that our system of government assures us that the worst that could happen is we have to wait till Jan. of 2025 to be rid of Trump. But, in going over the comment I left regarding his power grabs, his consolidation of power in the Executive branch, his effort, in other words, to put the president above the law, his effort to create an executive who can bear no accountability whatsoever, he is, in effect, creating a degree of absolute power in that branch. It's that precedent that concerns me. Does us little real good to have term limits on the office of the presidency, if said presidents can stand above the law while in that office. It's like a system of temporary dictatorships, and I don't want such power in the hands of any one person, let alone one like Trump.
 
Can we not take this thread down? Colton will not bet me a year of not posting on jazzfanz that Trump will not be impeached.
Actually I do think it's fairly likely he will be impeached by the House. But I don't think he'll be removed from office by the Senate.
 
Literally broadcasting the gist of a private conversation you may have had with another member is in very bad taste, and reflects very poorly on you. @colton strikes me as a principled conservative. There are quite a few such folk, like George Will for instance. Conservative folks, who, like myself, saw clearly from the start what Trump represented. It's likely that @colton and I would disagree on many issues. But, I am proud to stand with him where our opinion of Trump is concerned.
If you're talking about him challenging me to a bet about whether Trump will be removed from office, that wasn't a private conversation, it was in a post in a thread. Probably this thread .
 
Didn't I tell you people on here that Comey was in trouble. Now the Horowitz investigation has sent Attorney General Farr 2 criminal charges on Comey.

Comey's not going to be charged, according to the sources you linked.
 
If you're talking about him challenging me to a bet about whether Trump will be removed from office, that wasn't a private conversation, it was in a post in a thread. Probably this thread .

My bad. Thought he must have been referring to a pm, since I must have missed his post to that effect.
 
I'm aware that it can be pointed out that our system of government assures us that the worst that could happen is we have to wait till Jan. of 2025 to be rid of Trump. But, in going over the comment I left regarding his power grabs, his consolidation of power in the Executive branch, his effort, in other words, to put the president above the law, his effort to create an executive who can bear no accountability whatsoever, he is, in effect, creating a degree of absolute power in that branch. It's that precedent that concerns me. Does us little real good to have term limits on the office of the presidency, if said presidents can stand above the law while in that office. It's like a system of temporary dictatorships, and I don't want such power in the hands of any one person, let alone one like Trump.

Developing on this thought further. The trend toward what has been called an Imperial Presidency did not start with Trump. But, man, is he accelerating it. Long since I have questioned the wisdom of allowing so much power over hundreds of millions of citizens in the hands of one individual. Consider but one result, in but one action by Trump's head of the EPA:

"The first major rule Wheeler signed as acting administrator refuted his claim that he could fulfill President Trump’s directive to “clean up the air, clean up the water, and provide regulatory relief” at the same time. By rolling back the Obama-era coal ash rule, Wheeler provided regulatory relief to his old friend the coal industry by weakening environmental protections established in 2015 to clean up coal ash ponds, which are laced with toxic contaminants that leak into groundwater. The move was a top priority for coal baron Bob Murray, owner of Murray Energy, Wheeler’s most lucrative client when he worked for the Faegre Baker Daniels law firm.

Coal-fired power plants have been dumping this residue from burning coal into giant, unlined pits for decades. According to the EPA, there are more than 1,000 coal ash disposal sites across the country, and a recent analysis by Earthjustice and the Environmental Integrity Project found that 91 percent of the coal plants filing monitoring data required by the 2015 rule are polluting water with unsafe levels of toxic contaminants. Wheeler’s EPA says the new rule — which extends the deadline for closing some leaking ash ponds and allows states to suspend groundwater monitoring and set their own standards — will save utilities as much as $31 million. But the agency ignored the enormous costs of cancer and neurological and cardiovascular diseases linked to coal ash ingredients, which include arsenic, chromium, lead and mercury."

https://www.salon.com/2019/07/22/10-ways-andrew-wheeler-has-decimated-epa-protections_partner/

Why are we allowing one man, ultimately Trump, to unilaterally affect, in a negative fashion, the health of countless other Americans? The fact that he can do this, with scarcely a peep out of our press, signifies a flawed system to me. If he has the power to do this, then we need to adjust how much power we allow in our chief executive, I should think.
 
God also justifies a president who does this, cuz tax cuts and abortion.



And people who don’t like this but don’t agree with the Dems on EVERYTHING can throw their votes away and vote third party, helping this guy score four more years to do this nonsense.
 
God also justifies a president who does this, cuz tax cuts and abortion.



And people who don’t like this but don’t agree with the Dems on EVERYTHING can throw their votes away and vote third party, helping this guy score four more years to do this nonsense.


I will not be held hostage. You can, but it's a **** decision that you can't get out of. You'll be doing that all your life until you decide it's ****.
 
And people who don’t like this but don’t agree with the Dems on EVERYTHING can throw their votes away and vote third party, helping this guy score four more years to do this nonsense.

My third party vote impacts the election every bit as much as your Democrat vote. Do you not understand how counting works?
 
My third party vote impacts the election every bit as much as your Democrat vote. Do you not understand how counting works?

No, apparently I don’t. Could you explain it to me again for the 10th time? I think the board would love yet another post like that. ;)

Listen, I didn’t @ you nor are you the only one on here who has said they’re entertaining the thought of voting third party. So I’m not sure why you’re going after me.

I do think voting for a party/candidate who has no chance of winning who you probably have even less in common with than the mainstream Democrat all because you don’t agree 100 percent with the Democrats is utterly asinine.

While we’re rehashing old arguments; There are bigger issues at stake than abortion.
 
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"I believe that Chairman Kim has a great and beautiful vision for his country..."

Wow, just wow.

Literally praising one of the world’s worst dictators.

Seems like the right time to repost this. Most of this comes from his book, “Escape from Camp 14.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Dong-hyuk

Shin Dong-hyuk (born Shin In Geun, 19 November 1982 or 1980 is a North Korean human rights activist. He is reputed to be the only known prisoner to have successfully escaped from a "total-control zone" grade internment camp in North Korea.

Shin has given talks to audiences around the world about his life in Camp 14 and about the totalitarian North Korean regime to raise awareness of the situation in North Korean internment and concentration campsand North Korea. Shin has been described as the world's "single strongest voice" on the atrocities inside North Korean camps by a member of the United Nations' first commission of inquiry into human rights abuses of North Korea.

He was born to two prisoners who were allowed to marry as a reward for good work, although "neither bride nor groom had much say in deciding whom they would marry." Shin's father, Shin Gyung Sub, told Shin that the guards gave him his mother, Jang Hye-gyung, as payment for his skill in operating a metal lathe in the camp's machine shop. Shin lived with his mother until he was 12. He rarely saw his father who lived elsewhere in the camp and was allowed to visit a few times a year. According to Shin, he saw his mother as a competitor for their insufficient food rations, and consequently had no bonds of affection with his parents or his brother, Shin He Geun. The North Korean government officials and camp guards told him he was imprisoned because his parents had committed crimes against the state, and that he had to work hard and always obey the guards; otherwise he would be punished or executed.

Shin experienced considerable violence in the camp, and witnessed dozens of executions every year. Part of Shin's right middle finger was cut off by his supervisor as punishment for accidentally breaking a sewing machine.

When Shin was 13 years old, he overheard his mother and brother planning an escape attempt. Shin had just finished eating watery corn porridge, and was trying to sleep until he overheard that He Geun, his brother had run from the cement factory. Shin's mother, Jang was preparing rice, a symbol of wealth in North Korea for the escape from Camp 14. Shin was jealous his brother was getting rice. Shin's teacher was already in the gated Bowiwon village, so Shin told the night guard of his school with another boy, as informing was something he was taught to do from an early age, and he hoped to be rewarded. However, the school night guard took full credit for discovering the plan, and rather than being rewarded, Shin was arrested and guards tortured him for four days to extract more information, believing him to be part of the plan to escape.

According to Shin, the guards lit a charcoal fire under his back and forced a hook into his skin so that he could not struggle which caused many large scars still visible on his body. On 29 November 1996, after approximately seven months spent in a tiny concrete prison cell, he was released and joined by his father, who had also been imprisoned. They were driven back to the main camp wearing blindfolds and their hands tied behind their backs. Camp officials then forced Shin and his father to watch the public executions of Shin's mother and brother
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Imagine the outrage if Obama or Clinton had praised Kim? Republicans would’ve had them impeached, indicted, and lynched by dinner today.
 
No, apparently I don’t. Could you explain it to me again for the 10th time? I think the board would love yet another post like that. ;)

Listen, I didn’t @ you nor are you the only one on here who has said they’re entertaining the thought of voting third party. So I’m not sure why you’re going after me.

I'm going to reply every time I notice you saying that voting third party is "throwing their votes away", because you are just flat out wrong on this. And its insulting to those of us who voted third party last election, and who might be voting third party again this election (for me it'll depend who the Democrats nominate; there are some I would vote for and some I would not).

I do think voting for a party/candidate who has no chance of winning who you probably have even less in common with than the mainstream Democrat all because you don’t agree 100 percent with the Democrats is utterly asinine.

Thinking your individual vote does ANYTHING at all to sway the election is asinine. (Do you like it when I say insulting things about your point of view?)
 
My third party vote impacts the election every bit as much as your Democrat vote. Do you not understand how counting works?
Well I know some people think that voting 3rd party actually helps to rid is of a 2 party system in the future (I agree)

I would also say that voting Democrat, even living in Utah, could have an effect on the way the elections work in the future.

Let's say Trump wins the nomination again. But loses the popular vote again. I could see people trying to change the electoral college if the losing president wins the popular vote enough times.

At a minimum it gives the electoral college and the whole election process a black eye.

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Thinking your individual vote does ANYTHING at all to sway the election is asinine. (Do you like it when I say insulting things about your point of view?)

Serious question: Why do you even vote if you feel like your vote is pointless/worthless?

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