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So where we're at is arguing the levels to which Trump=Hitler. Good enough for me.
 
NPC D4617 said:
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I would simply propose that Trumpism is a unique American specie of nascent fascism. Trump is not the first demagogue in our history. The problem today is that his Party is so far completely reluctant to criticize the troubling eruption of nationalistic authoritarianism, or authoritarian nationalism, that Trump represents. So, while we can hope, and believe, that our long lasting experiment as a democracy counts for something, and our democratic institutions are strong, circumstances currently reflect, I believe, how Rep. Nadler described them yesterday: namely, that we are in the midst of the most serious constitutional crisis since the Civil War.
 
Comparing Trump to fascism or calling him a fascist is not saying the U.S. is now an authoritarian fascist state. We still have the means to prevent that from happening in 2020. After that it's a walk on the wide side where anything is possible.
 
This was a really good read about the rise of White Nationalist movements in the US from the perspective of a man who was part of it and now spends his time trying to help those getting out.

What struck me is the lack of programs and resources to help reform them and find a place in society outside the movement. He makes a good point about how we have programs in place for people with problems with drugs and alcohol for example, but not for people who are struggling with ideas of hatred.

What's scary is that he believes, thanks to the mainstreaming of these ideas in recent years, that this problem is only going to get worse before it gets better.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/08/conversation-christian-picciolini/595543/
 
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This ignores a primary difference. The vast majority of buy back programs are completely voluntary. If gun owners want to turn in their guns they have the right to do so. Everyone realizes it’s to get the guns “off the street”. That’s base common knowledge.

There was nothing new in this video.
 
Red said:
I would simply propose that Trumpism is a unique American specie of nascent fascism. Trump is not the first demagogue in our history. The problem today is that his Party is so far completely reluctant to criticize the troubling eruption of nationalistic authoritarianism, or authoritarian nationalism, that Trump represents. So, while we can hope, and believe, that our long lasting experiment as a democracy counts for something, and our democratic institutions are strong, circumstances currently reflect, I believe, how Rep. Nadler described them yesterday: namely, that we are in the midst of the most serious constitutional crisis since the Civil War.
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Maybe it's just me, but at least in Utah, I've seen many people go from being vocal Trump supporters to vocal Trump needs to be out of office supporters.

Not all Trumpers are the Trumpers from the south. **** those guys.
 
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Red said:
I would simply propose that Trumpism is a unique American specie of nascent fascism. Trump is not the first demagogue in our history. The problem today is that his Party is so far completely reluctant to criticize the troubling eruption of nationalistic authoritarianism, or authoritarian nationalism, that Trump represents. So, while we can hope, and believe, that our long lasting experiment as a democracy counts for something, and our democratic institutions are strong, circumstances currently reflect, I believe, how Rep. Nadler described them yesterday: namely, that we are in the midst of the most serious constitutional crisis since the Civil War.
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This is a great post. I think you’re absolutely right. Trumpism is Fascism, but the American version. Trump is smart in that he knows which buttons to push and which nerves to hit. He knows that demonizing Jews and Catholics wouldn’t fly here. But he knows that demonizing people of color and Muslims does. He knows that there’s a perception that “real America” isn’t the cities and urban centers, but the rural areas. He knows there’s great fear and paranoia about taxes, the media, socialism, and gun regulation. So he stays on message, keeping his base angry.

So yes, I think it was either Tim Snyder or Robert Paxton who taught that Fascism is most effective when it is modified to fit the signs, symbols, of needs to every particular country. The swastica doesn’t work here. But demonizing people of color and wrapping ourselves with the Bible and flag certainly does.
 
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str8line said:
So because I see Trump for who he is I have something against conservatism? What is a conservative these days?
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I don’t think any republican could actually define this right now. Conservativism for repubs right now means agreeing with whatever trump says at the moment.
 
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