The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[Zombie]

Okay, interesting. Thanks for sharing...

The article below was just posted by Washington Post, which is clearly a much more 'liberal' and anti-Trump publication. It's a story like this that makes me think the Dems know full well that they're throwing Biden under the bus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...tigation-might-do-more-hurt-biden-than-trump/

Democrats’ double standard on Ukraine
By Marc A. Thiessen

We don’t yet know whether President Trump delayed some military aid to Ukraine as leverage to get Ukraine’s president to reopen an investigation into Hunter Biden. But if we are concerned about U.S. officials inappropriately threatening aid to Ukraine, then there are others who have some explaining to do.

It got almost no attention, but in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, expressing concern at the closing of four investigations they said were critical to the Mueller probe. In the letter, they implied that their support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine was at stake. Describing themselves as “strong advocates for a robust and close relationship with Ukraine,” the Democratic senators declared, “We have supported [the] capacity-building process and are disappointed that some in Kyiv appear to have cast aside these [democratic] principles to avoid the ire of President Trump,” before demanding Lutsenko “reverse course and halt any efforts to impede cooperation with this important investigation.”

So, it’s okay for Democratic senators to encourage Ukraine to investigate Trump, but it’s not okay for the president to allegedly encourage Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden?

Senator Chris Coons (D-Del.) says President Trump's alleged misuse of his office has raised a new level of concern. (Joshua Carroll/The Washington Post)
This weekend, Biden told reporters, “I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.” That is flatly untrue. Hunter admitted in an interview with the New Yorker that his father expressed concern about the Burisma post at least once: “Dad said, ‘I hope you know what you are doing,’ and I said, ‘I do.’” Moreover, the New Yorker reports that, “In December, 2015, as Joe Biden prepared to return to Ukraine, his aides braced for renewed scrutiny of Hunter’s relationship with Burisma. Amos Hochstein, the Obama Administration’s special envoy for energy policy, raised the matter with Biden.” That same month, the New York Times published an article about how Hunter’s business dealings in Ukraine undermined the vice president’s anti-corruption message, which quoted a Biden spokesman saying it had no impact.

So, Biden was fully aware of his son’s involvement with Burisma when he pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor in 2016. He should have known that his using U.S. aid as leverage to force the prosecutor’s dismissal would create, at a bare minimum, the appearance of a conflict of interest. Federal ethics regulations require “all employees to recuse themselves from participating in an official matter if their impartiality would be questioned.” Biden violated these rules. Imagine if Trump pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor who was investigating a company that employed Donald Trump Jr. as a board member. No one would be giving Trump a pass.

On Tuesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) announced that Congress will initiate a formal impeachment inquiry over the Ukraine episode, a move Joe Biden endorsed in a speech, declaring, “It’s time for the Congress to fully investigate the conduct of this president.” Such an investigation will be far more damaging for Biden than the president. It will keep the story of Biden’s conflict of interest in the news through the 2020 election. Millions of Americans will learn the word “Burisma.” Senate Republicans can demand that Hunter Biden testify, and subpoena Obama White House aides such as Hochstein to explain under oath what the vice president knew and when he knew it.

Put aside the prosecutor’s firing. Hunter took the position with a Ukrainian natural gas company just a few weeks after his father visited Ukraine in 2014 to urge its government to increase its natural gas production. Hunter Biden had no expertise in Ukraine or natural gas. It will not just be Republicans calling this suspicious; nonpartisan experts in ethics law will testify that this a major conflict of interest.

And the focus will not just be on Ukraine but also how, as The Post reported, “for more than two decades, [Hunter’s] professional work often tracked with his father’s life in politics, from Washington to Ukraine to China.” Trump will use an investigation to paint Joe Biden as a creature of the Washington swamp who used his official position to enrich his son. While Senate Republicans will not remove Trump from office, Democratic primary voters might decide that Biden and his troubles are a distraction they do not need. The irony is the Democrats’ investigation might do more to deny Biden the presidency than Trump.

Ah yes, the *checks notes* famously liberal George W Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen.

If some of this ends up putting a spotlight on children enriching themselves via the political positions of their parents I'm all for it BTW. There are some *cough* Don *cough* Ivanka, who have been doing that recently as well.

 

[fishonjazz]

Whether Trump really obstructed justice during the Mueller investigation is subject to legal interpretation and the standard that Trump is being held to. He wanted to have Mueller fired on an investigation where there was no underlying criminality on his part. It was supposed to be a collusion/conspiracy investigation. Mueller avoided making a judgement on the question of obstruction, and so far, Nadler's Judiciary Committee hearings on obstruction have been getting nowhere. The Dems know can't hang their impeachment hopes on Mueller, especially when Attorney General Barr can expose how the FBI investigation came about in the first place.

The whistle-blower in this Ukraine so-called scandal had better have something pretty solid, or all this is going to do is embarrass Joe Biden and the Dems.

You sure hope so

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[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Ah yes, the *checks notes* famously liberal George W Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen.

If some of this ends up putting a spotlight on children enriching themselves via the political positions of their parents I'm all for it BTW. There are some *cough* Don *cough* Ivanka, who have been doing that recently as well.

BTW, Bush Jr. and especially Rumsfeld are deep state. They're no fans of Trump, unless the tides are really turning. I don't think I've ever read anything in WaPo that hasn't gratuitously attacked Trump.

In any case, I'm not an expert, but this doesn't look like a strong impeachment case against Trump to me. I guess we'll see where it goes. Expect Liz Warren to get the DNC nomination after a real dust-up with Bernie and his supporters. The fallout from Ukraine may push Biden aside when he was already shaky.

 

[infection]

Honestly. If John Bolton turns out to be the whistle blower, he'll be branded a leftist Trump hater within an hour.

And no counter rebranding from the other side, I’m sure.

 

[Zombie]

And no counter rebranding from the other side, I’m sure.

I'm sure some will, but I don't think people have forgotten his tenure with Bush quite yet. I think most of us on the left would just bask in the hilarity of team Trump gobbling each other up as they look out for themselves.

 

[Zombie]

BTW, Bush Jr. and especially Rumsfeld are deep state.

Ok, thanks for letting me know not to take anything you've said seriously. Lmao.

 

[The Thriller]

Whether Trump really obstructed justice during the Mueller investigation is subject to legal interpretation and the standard that Trump is being held to. He wanted to have Mueller fired on an investigation where there was no underlying criminality on his part. It was supposed to be a collusion/conspiracy investigation. Mueller avoided making a judgement on the question of obstruction, and so far, Nadler's Judiciary Committee hearings on obstruction have been getting nowhere. The Dems know can't hang their impeachment hopes on Mueller, especially when Attorney General Barr can expose how the FBI investigation came about in the first place.

The whistle-blower in this Ukraine so-called scandal had better have something pretty solid, or all this is going to do is embarrass Joe Biden and the Dems.

So called scandal? You understand that Donald trump and his idiot lawyer on CNN have already (1) admitted to delaying foreign aid payments to Ukraine to force them into investigating Donald’s political opponent, right? That’s illegal. That foreign aid was already passed by Congress. The executive has no right to put stipulations on that money. It’s (2) an abuse of power to conduct foreign policy like this. His administration’s ever (3) changing story and refusing to turn over the whistleblower complaint to congress is obstruction of justice. I can come up with 3 impeachable offenses already and I’m not even a lawyer.

This “scandal” is as clear as day.

“The conversation I had was largely congratulatory. It was largely corruption—all of the corruption taking place. It was largely the fact that we don’t want our people, like Vice President Biden and his son, creating to [sic] the corruption already in the Ukraine,” Trump said. (Neither Ukraine nor Trump has produced any evidence to support that claim about the Bidens.) Trump once again implicitly admittedpressuring Ukraine during remarks at the United Nations Monday.

 

[The Thriller]

Ok, thanks for letting me know not to take anything you've said seriously. Lmao.

Who isn’t deep state? You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself tweeted at for being deep state.

Yesterday's tea partier is today’s deep stater. Today’s trump loyalist will be tomorrow’s key witness begging for a plea deal to testify against trump. The right is eating each other so fast is hard to keep track. The complete implosion of a party.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Who isn’t deep state? You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself tweeted at for being deep state.

Yesterday's tea partier is today’s deep stater. Today’s trump loyalist will be tomorrow’s key witness begging for a plea deal to testify against trump. The right is eating each other so fast is hard to keep track. The complete implosion of a party.

Or so you hope. "Deep state" was a term coined by Ron Paul. In the U.S., it refers primarily to a group of people within the NSA/CIA, CFR, and the global central banks. They're unelected people who wield a lot of power behind the scenes. Normally, politicians kowtow to these people. They're real, I'm afraid.

 

[colton]

I like Colton, his posts are very well thought out. Some of the best here in my opinion.

Still, this impeachment nonsense will be the end to any hope the dems have of getting the presidency, as I said. So yes, happy birthday indeed to Colton!

Thanks for the compliment and birthday wishes. But you're wrong about the impeachment.

 

[colton]

Yeah, but is that what happened? You need evidence. Where does the word "insistence" originate from? Is that your term? Because it sounds as though the U.S. has already sent the financial aid to Ukraine prior to the fiscal-year deadline.



If a real crime was committed, then that is, of course, impeachable. When Nixon was impeached, it was because a burglary took place. That's a crime. There was no dispute about it. Then it was eventually shown that Nixon was party to it. Then Nixon resigned.

But having a conversation with a foreign leader about corruption during a phone call isn't going to get Trump or anyone else impeached. That actually sounds noble. At least with the Mueller probe, there were Russian agents that allegedly hacked into servers.

The Dems need a crime, a real and undeniable cause of action, or this is going to come up empty.

 

[colton]

In any case, beginning impeachment proceedings is the first step in the investigation. If we already knew he was guilty and worthy of removal there wouldn't be a need for investigative congressional committees and hearings etc. This was true of Nixon as well. There was a suspicion of wrong doing by the President and it took months of impeachment hearings to get to the truth.

Way too many people are not grasping this. In fact what we know about Trump is far more damning than what people knew about Nixon before his impeachment hearings began.

 

[colton]

Okay, interesting. Thanks for sharing...

The article below was just posted by Washington Post, which is clearly a much more 'liberal' and anti-Trump publication.

Dude, it's an opinion piece written by a very conservative individual. Google the author. It's not by a Washington Post author or the Washington Post editorial staff.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Dude, it's an opinion piece written by a very conservative individual. Google the author. It's not by a Washington Post author or the Washington Post editorial staff.

Okay, and what do you think about his argument? Do you think this will take Biden out the race?

 

[yamers]

Yall better get along tbh cos sooner or later ull be getting along in a chinese concentration camp.

Chinese folks dont care about the air, the water, nor about your pc sjw culture.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Yall better get along tbh cos sooner or later ull be getting along in a chinese concentration camp.

Chinese folks dont care about the air, the water, nor about your pc sjw culture.

That is incorrect a lot of them do. China has actually been doing a lot to clean up the air lately. In fact I was just visiting a girlfriend who was in Yantai for work who was helping them reduce trucks driving by shipping trucks on a big boat across the bay to reduce emissions in the area.

But China does still produce a **** ton of pollution and waste still. China has a far far far bigger impact on the world's pollution levels than the USA.

 

[Safetydan]

That is incorrect a lot of them do. China has actually been doing a lot to clean up the air lately. In fact I was just visiting a girlfriend who was in Yantai for work who was helping them reduce trucks driving by shipping trucks on a big boat across the bay to reduce emissions in the area.

But China does still produce a **** ton of pollution and waste still. China has a far far far bigger impact on the world's pollution levels than the USA.

I think the vast majority of what any average American has to say about China, unless they've lived there for an extended period, can be discounted. This also applies to most foreign countries.

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[One Brow]

If a real crime was committed, then that is, of course, impeachable. When Nixon was impeached, it was because a burglary took place. That's a crime. There was no dispute about it. Then it was eventually shown that Nixon was party to it. Then Nixon resigned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Watergate_scandal

Nixon was not involved in the burglary, he was involved in covering it up and, in particular, ordering the firing of Cox, who was investigating the break-in.

 

[One Brow]

The Dems know can't hang their impeachment hopes on Mueller, especially when Attorney General Barr can expose how the FBI investigation came about in the first place.

The right-wing fever dreams about how the investigations can be "exposed" are always so funny.

 

[Heathme]