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Rubashov said:
My front door is normally locked, most of the time. Our living areas are at the back of the house, my folks aren't getting any younger and im normally at work until 1230-1am. Also the neighborhood has gone to ****, a woman was murdered round the corner 4 or 5 months ago, we have a bunch of neighbours that sell drugs so there are normally sketchy types about. So doors are normally locked.

Still most domestic locks are pretty useless if you want to get in you will but i dont see why you would make it easier.
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Damn, neighbours selling drugs doesn't sound good bro!!
 
checkbookdoc said:
I changed my post because after reading an article it says that he was on his feet moving towards her, not in a chair eating ice cream like has been suggested (sounds like he stopped eating when he heard the door open and went to chase off the intruder).
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I think the evidence so far presented by the prosecutor is kinda ambiguous.

The evidence so far was that he WAS sitting on the couch eating an ice cream (Vanilla with Oreo cookies crumbled & mixed in).

Then the first shot was fired and went wayyy over his head and hit the wall at the end of the apartment.

After a short pause the 2nd shot was then fired, the trajectory of which is a lot more of a downward trajectory. (I think this is a key piece of evidence, the that that she didn't just go bang-bang, but bang-pause-bang, changing the direction of her gun's aim).

We know that the 2nd shot entered his body around his nipple and went straight down his body as if he was ducking for cover OR that he was crouching and about to get up.

It depends on how you think a person gets up from a couch. Do you go straight up from a seating position OR do you crouch/lunge forward then come up.

The victim's final position appears to be on the floor in front of the couch.
 
One Brow said:
When it comes to best practices, I'll take "not blaming the victim for shot".
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Not sure how you read it but I wasn't blaming the victim for the mistake, he could be making a mistake and not get blamed for it. Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
 
It's really alarming the number of people walking into the wrong apartment in this particular Apartment complex in Dallas..

Defense's turn today and they've put up this guy to testify that he who walked all the way into someone else's apartment and frightened a woman inside that wrong apartment.

The issue is that in this particular apartment, the key fob allows the owner to access ALL FLOORS. That's usually a definite No-No. They should only allow you to enter the floor your room's in.
 
Hmm.. defense doing a great job here, another lady was confronted by a homeless man in her room and had to chase him out.. also said someone could have gone in from her back door as the back balcony is shared by 2 rooms.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Not sure how you read it but I wasn't blaming the victim for the mistake, he could be making a mistake and not get blamed for it. Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
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The word mistake carries responsibility with it.

One love made a mistake and was shot.

One love did nothing and was shot.

Which one feels like one love carries some of the blame?
 
LogGrad98 said:
The word mistake carries responsibility with it.

One love made a mistake and was shot.

One love did nothing and was shot.

Which one feels like one love carries some of the blame?
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But you can also make a mistake that leads to a situation that is no necessarily your fault and people don't blame you for that mistake.

Like if a couple gets divorced.. there may be a whole host of 'mistakes' each person made during the mariage but I don't know if you can blame 1 or even both for the divorce.

Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
 
ONE LOVE said:
But you can also make a mistake that leads to a situation that is no necessarily your fault and people don't blame you for that mistake.

Like if a couple gets divorced.. there may be a whole host of 'mistakes' each person made during the mariage but I don't know if you can blame 1 or even both for the divorce.

Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
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That's a bad example as both carry some blame. Or you can clearly show blame.

But in the case of the shooting it is a slippery slope to victim blaming. Words matter.
 
LogGrad98 said:
That's a bad example as both carry some blame. Or you can clearly show blame.

But in the case of the shooting it is a slippery slope to victim blaming. Words matter.
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Well I'll give you another example, you call your friend while he's having dinner with his family and you apologised. Your friend said it doesn't matter and said he'll call you back in 15 min.

In that situation, you technically made the mistake of calling your friend while he's having dinner with his family (i.e., disrupting his enjoyment of the meal), but he does not blame you for it because you simply did not know.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Well I'll give you another example, you call your friend while he's having dinner with his family and you apologised. Your friend said it doesn't matter and said he'll call you back in 15 min.

In that situation, you technically made the mistake of calling your friend while he's having dinner with his family (i.e., disrupting his enjoyment of the meal), but he does not blame you for it because you simply did not know.
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We disagree on the definition of mistake. Happenstance is not a mistake.
 
LogGrad98 said:
We disagree on the definition of mistake. Happenstance is not a mistake.
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Ok how about you're drilling something and had to get it done before it statred raining.. you pushed a bit too hard and the drill bit broke.

You could have been cautious and not drilled it that hard but you did cos u wanted to finish the job.

The mistake was not being cautious hence drilling too hard but your wife doesn't blame you cos it was starting to rain and she understood why u did it.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Not sure how you read it but I wasn't blaming the victim for the mistake, he could be making a mistake and not get blamed for it. Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
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When you talk about regret for his decision, you are blaming him, for what I don't even see as a mistake.
 
One Brow said:
When you talk about regret for his decision, you are blaming him, for what I don't even see as a mistake.
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Him regretting his decision has nothing to do with anyone blaming him.

Him regretting decision has to do with his action and the result of his action, it doesn't require a third person. Blaming requires another person to make that assertion. (unless you count him blaming himself, which is not the case here)

A person tripping over for not being cautious enough when walking can regret that decision not to be more cautions (i.e., his mistake), it doesn't require any 'blame' from anyone.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Ok how about you're drilling something and had to get it done before it statred raining.. you pushed a bit too hard and the drill bit broke.

You could have been cautious and not drilled it that hard but you did cos u wanted to finish the job.

The mistake was not being cautious hence drilling too hard but your wife doesn't blame you cos it was starting to rain and she understood why u did it.
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It's still your fault the drill broke. See you are looking as assigning blame. But the act of a mistake automatically carries blame with it. There is no such thing as a blameless mistake. Sure you might not be held accountable for it by someone else, but it's still your fault on some level, even if very minor.

So by saying this guy made a mistake you are implying, even if very slightly, that part of what happened was his fault. And it just was not. At all.
 
LogGrad98 said:
It's still your fault the drill broke. See you are looking as assigning blame. But the act of a mistake automatically carries blame with it. There is no such thing as a blameless mistake. Sure you might not be held accountable for it by someone else, but it's still your fault on some level, even if very minor.

So by saying this guy made a mistake you are implying, even if very slightly, that part of what happened was his fault. And it just was not. At all.
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Mistake does not automatically equate fault and/or blame. Sorry but you're putting words in my mouth now.
 
This has been a fun little exchange to read through.

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