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I haven't necessarily seen any clear tension on the court between Rudy and DM. Have you guys?

A week or two ago, I heard Locke point it out and Ron agree with him. In the context he could've passed right over it, and Ron could've remained silent. That they chose to mention and elaborate was...peculiar. It felt to me like they used the little on court incident as an avenue to let the audience peak into the inner workings without betraying trust or calling it out directly.
 
Donovan is terrible with giving the other players any type of rythym. In the second quarter he killed the whole team...
 
Donovan has not played well recently but I'm not gonna dwell on it. It's easy to forget how young he still is, how inexperienced he still is, how hard his role as the primary scorer is AND how hard adjusting to having two other scorers like Bogey and Mike on the team must be. He's got a lot on his plate.
He shouldn't be the primary scorer. Bogey should be and Joe should control the game.
 
After DM missed the floater late in the 4th, Rudy was having words with him. They were on a nice run and a bucket would have cut the lead to single digits, and Bogey was open in the corner. Not sure what the words were but Rudy didn't look pleased.

Saw it too. Looked like they were just telling each other what they were seeing on that play. Both looked frustrated. I wouldn't read much more into it tbh. If we start trying to look into things to fit a theory it's going to be a rabbit hole.
 
Saw it too. Looked like they were just telling each other what they were seeing on that play. Both looked frustrated. I wouldn't read much more into it tbh. If we start trying to look into things to fit a theory it's going to be a rabbit hole.
Look it's nothing. Heat of the moment. Anyone that has played sports competitively knows this. The amount of times I've had words with teammates or they've said stuff to me whilst playing. So many times. Straight after the game everything is all good
 
Honestly the fact that DM and Rudy were talking after that play is more likely a sign that DM and Rudy are just fine with each other.

Idk about anyone else but if I'm having issues with a coworker I don't want to talk to them lol.

I doubt DM and Rudy have any problems with each other. Both are probably just very frustrated losing games because both are competitive.
 
Here’s something I posted a month ago. It’s not necessarily a huge issue, but I believe it’s a real thing, and I believe that Rudy is aware of it, and I think Donovan is completely ignorant to it.

This was Gobert’s team. When he signed his extension and then Hayward waffles on his, Hayward went into a shell for a few weeks and Gobert exploded. I felt it was clear he was saying this was his team and sending a message. Then we had some success, ended lob-city, and essentially the entire fan base went into Stayward mode. Gobert was the backbone of the team and then the snake getting all the attention snaked us in the ***. Enter Donovan. Donovan comes in and near immediately fills the Hayward void. The team still struggles, though, and it’s not until Gobert’s return that he puts the team on his back and propels a historic come back to return to the playoffs and oust OKC. All the while, Donovan is the face of the franchise nationally. That summer, Donovan starts to increase his brand recognition, make many media appearances, and represent the league, rather than just the Jazz.

Fast forward to last year and Rudy is snubbed from the all-star game. Donovan tweets out how it’s okay because they were both snubbed (something like that), and Gobert may feel that Donovan may not fully understand and that DM hadn’t fully paid his dues like Rudy had.

You now have a team that can only go as far as it can go on the back of Rudy as the foundation piece, yet there’s no national media on him. Donovan having a breakout year and attracting media attention nationally, while the team has some struggles that, in some part, is due to not having the offense fully utilize Rudy. Injuries to Steph and other guards means DM may be lock for all-star, while Gobert may again be snubbed. There may be a small part of Gobert that feels all his hard work and recognition is absorbed up in the national attention of Donovan without anyone seeing Gobert as the driving force behind a lot of it, and Donovan not showing as much awareness of that but continuing to promote his brand.

As an analogy, it’s like they’re in a band, and Gobert has written the music and the lyrics, but Donovan sings as is front and center, and everyone’s pushing a solo career, not realizing that Rudy is the one behind the music they love.

Anyway, I’ll again qualify that I don’t believe this is a big thing. Both guys want to win. But I believe at some level these thoughts exist — have existed — and this is nothing new.

In a situation where Donovan’s team is “down and out,” I believe Donovan’s view is that if he’s the superstar his media trail has led him to believe, then it’s his responsibility to single-handedly will his team back (by scoring). Oneye points to NY but I think the bigger problem is that he appears to have a superstar perspective. For instance, he’s tweeted a lot of positive Carmelo junk, and the only thing more baffling than Carmelo’s lack of self-awareness is the lack of insight Carmelo fans have that his heroics are worthless and he could be better if he bought in to a team game.

tl;dr Donovan needs to choose whether he would like having a really cool brand or if he wants to win. It’s not exactly a false dichotomy, but my impression is that within his mind is the things that would contribute to winning would go contrary to what he feels he needs to do to “put the team on his back” — something which ironically goes against his goal, though he can’t quite see it.
 
legit question, is Snyder a bad offensive coach?

Offensive Rank
14-15: 17th
15-16: 16th
16-17: 12th
17-18: 17th
18-19: 15th
19-20: 22nd
 
After DM missed the floater late in the 4th, Rudy was having words with him. They were on a nice run and a bucket would have cut the lead to single digits, and Bogey was open in the corner. Not sure what the words were but Rudy didn't look pleased.

A week or two ago, I heard Locke point it out and Ron agree with him. In the context he could've passed right over it, and Ron could've remained silent. That they chose to mention and elaborate was...peculiar. It felt to me like they used the little on court incident as an avenue to let the audience peak into the inner workings without betraying trust or calling it out directly.

Ive seen them challenge each other in court... always considered it healthy... it happens. Rudy’s comments about not getting the ball and knowing how competitive he is I’m sure he’s not happy with the bad shots and losing. I’m guessing he’s not the type to be silent. Some healthy friction could be good if the they have the emotional equity in their relationship.

It's quite interesting in terms of that some of you have seen/heard things about players discussing or disagreeing with what they've seen on the court. What kind of interests me mellow is, the one where you heard David and Boone speak about this potential 'issue' and when it was, if you can remember? Because I would certainly like to hear what they had to say about it, and in what type of way.

Then again, pointing towards Handlogten's post, I agree that having passion and challenging each other in a healthy way on the court is a healthy thing. And maybe we shouldn't read too much into it, like we shouldn't read to much into altercations in practice when they're not a big deal really, like between Dante and Oni, or coaches butting heads.
 
After DM missed the floater late in the 4th, Rudy was having words with him. They were on a nice run and a bucket would have cut the lead to single digits, and Bogey was open in the corner. Not sure what the words were but Rudy didn't look pleased.
Good.
 
I like the idea of conley to the bench.

We’re paying $30+ million for a bench guy? We traded a bunch of assets for Conley. And some of you are suggesting we move him to the bench?

just how bad do you guys think we are? Calm down. Yes, he’s sucked this year. Yes, I question the move. But no way can you move him to the bench. No way.

honestly, if that’s how bad things are, then we might be better off tanking.
 
legit question, is Snyder a bad offensive coach?

Offensive Rank
14-15: 17th
15-16: 16th
16-17: 12th
17-18: 17th
18-19: 15th
19-20: 22nd

I dont think hes a bad offensive coach. Problem is when players brick wide open **** and brick floaters for days. I wana see a stat for wide open 3s bricked.
 
I remember Don's games against the Grizz earlier, and the Pelicans, which he had 29/9/5, and 37/7/5 respectively.

Those are star/superstar numbers. He rebounded, got his team in rhythm too. Got his amount of shots, but was still able to play make for others. It just seems like a tough task for him to do that right now. Just shows you how much work that is for people like Harden(ugh), Lebron etc, who do it night in night out. Also tells me, at 23, he doesn't have the capacity to do that yet on a consistent basis, and he might not have it for maybe 2 more years until he turns 25.
 
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