It's a figurative train. I'll be fine.
The Jazz are BACK
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Your figurative legs will be severed.
Figuratively, I don't have legs.
Then it may severe your figurative ****.
Probably not.
The Thriller
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Ive only heard that Bogie decided to come here because of the Conley signing from a handful of posters, like you. I’ve never actually read him or anyone associated with reporting on him as citing the Conley deal for the reason he came here. I just tried Google, and I didn’t find anything. Maybe I missed something? But I’m thinking that claims that Bogie’s signing were contingent on Conley’s acquisition is more of an attempt to justify the disastrous Conley trade than on actual evidence.
The financials is where I admit I’m not an expert at and where things do get murky. I wonder if sticking with essentially the same team but making Bogie a priority wouldn’t have triggered additional moves which would’ve enabled us to keep Favors, Rubio, Neto, Crowder, while adding Bogie. Whether those additional moves would’ve included jettisoning Exum and/or Bradley, I’m not sure. This goes into the vague realm of “what ifs.”
Regardless, I think one could easily argue that had we stayed put, we’d be a better team than we are today and we’d have more tradeable assets. Yes, Bogie is good. But it’s easily arguable that both he and Conley cost us our starting 4/backup center, our entire bench, and our length, toughness, and chemistry. What is becoming increasingly obvious, is that we aren’t an elite team. So what did last summer actually accomplish?
I'm not sure he has explicitly stated Conley, but he may have at the introductory press conference. It seemed pretty clear based on numerous comments he's made.
The Jazz were going nowhere with the roster they had and regardless of how this goes, it was well-past time to move on. The question is how they should move on, but I couldn't do another year of a starting lineup that featured three brick-layers, a chucker, and Joe Ingles.
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I need to see a couple more games... Minny is a miserable team right now and in their annual funk. I believe it is called Andrew Wiggins Syndrome. I want to see it against a few teams that play hard.
The Thriller
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So he hasn’t explicitly said it. And which comments has he indirectly cited the Conley trade as being the reason for him coming here to sign? LOL. You act as if this has been clearly proven yet I’ve never read anything that even indirectly proves what you’re saying and my google search right now came back as negative. So perhaps we should hold off telling people that he signed because of the Conley trade? Without evidence, it just seems like a desperate justification for the Conley debacle.
As for your second point, I totally hear you. After that disastrous Houston Rockets series highlighted by Rubio’s terrible shot at the end of the final game, I was desperate for a move. But I remember less emotional fans than I, warning the board about Conley. They explained clearly and articulately concerns about his size, age, and contract. All things that many (including our management) seemed to ignore or minimize. Now, these defects have never been more apparent. Conley has lost a step (maybe more), cannot play with Mitchell in the backcourt, and his contract has been disastrous. I never imagined the Jazz would be this unwatchable in the gobert/Mitchell era. For me, our offense this year has been as clunky and unwatchable as the Jefferson/Corbin era. And because of Conley’s trade gutting our roaster, I’m not sure if we have the assets right now to make move to improve. This could be a long year.
The Thriller
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Yeah, I’ve read that before. Sounds like he’s really excited to play with the reigning defensive player of the year.
If we're using the above quote as evidence that Conley was the reason or one of the primary reasons for him coming here, then I think we're definitely seeing ghosts. He just as easily could've thrown Rubio into the sentence. But he didn't. The only person he specifically cited was Gobert, for his defense.
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He mentions Conley... explicitly
How very Thriller of you.
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The Jazz need to show that their sets/personnel can be successful against top defensive, which Minny is not. They missed assignments, switches and help situations all night long.
It was interesting to see Utah throw a few new wrinkles to their sets to start the game. Hopefully adjustments continue to be made, as the screen, try to create a mismatch won't work for 48 minutes against the top defensive teams.
Need more off ball movement. Make the defense work hard on every possession.
It was interesting to see Utah throw a few new wrinkles to their sets to start the game. Hopefully adjustments continue to be made, as the screen, try to create a mismatch won't work for 48 minutes against the top defensive teams.
Need more off ball movement. Make the defense work hard on every possession.
The Thriller
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By being logical? Yeah, I guess.
By changing reality to fit your narrative after it's been disproven.
The Thriller
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He specifically talks about Gobert. There's no reason why if Rubio had still been with the team that he wouldn't have mentioned him. He was merely citing players on the roster but goes into detail about Gobert. I think we're looking waaaaayyyyyy too into things by claiming that Conley was the reason why he chose this team over a quote where the only person he goes into detail discussing is Gobert.
But sure, whatever makes ya'll feel like this Conley trade wasn't a terrible move.
The Thriller
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How so? He didn't cite Conley as the reason why he came. I'm sorry, I guess I'm looking for something more explicit? Again, I think you're looking into things waaaaayyyy too much. The only player he actually discusses is Gobert. If Conley's acquisition was really that impactful, wouldn't you think he'd say more about it? He didn't and instead went into detail about Gobert being the defensive player of the year.
But sure, whatever makes you feel better about the Conley deal.