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If you're not embarrassed with Bernie, you're missing the whole point about politics. Marxism, and communism, and progressivism are all fake ideas with no useful reality except to those who can take advantage of ignorant or credulous people and get power with those pretensions. In power, totalitarians or whatever honchos you have, will always feather their own nests, and make you pay for it. Some are just crazier about it than others.

People who actually believe in the reality of these fake political philosophies don't understand human nature, and how people use power when they get it. It's really very simple. It doesn't matter what lie you sell, when you're in power you will use it personally and profitably.

The American political design, under the Constitution, was an effort to keep cliques and dictators from easily getting enough power to be really harmful. A vain and foolish dream, perhaps, but it is our only real hope for human rights, equal protection under the law, equal justice under the law, and the ability to do well for ourselves financially.

Bernie is just an old Red. He has used politics to provide his meals every day of his adult life, with neat little advertising monopolies he coerced political candidates to buy from his wife, at a nice price. Nobody should think he's nice, or has a good personality either. A goofy smile and vacuous platitudes is not "personality".

And, oh, what "Congress" won't allow "socialism"? Pelosi's house and Schumer's Senate??? AOC's rising YoungTurk/Soros star????

We had a communist President for eight years, and you didn't even know it. Yah, he didn't have Congress all his way, but he had a pen. And he had cronies in every closet in Congress and in the DC agencies. Hillary is a communist ideological believer. When you hear politicians talking about "Open Borders", they are reading a line from the Communist Manifesto.

Capitalism is simply the freedom to do your own business your own way. There is no Utopia that can be realistically imagined that can exist with human freedom, so when you see political honchos with plans to tell you what to do and how to do it, the dream is dead. I call all political ideologies a lie, because they are. And very bad lies.
Isn't it interesting that Bernie has ranted against millionaires for his entire career and advocated for taxing them 100%, yet recently he made millions and he behaves exactly like any other capitalist because he has somehow convinced himself that in his case the riches are deserved.
 
Love that last line: "Health care in Nicaragua is now free. It's terrible. It's primitive. But it's now free." - Bernie Sanders

So, no health care is better than health care that if terrible compared to what we get (I noticed you left that bolded part out)?
 
Offering people to sell weed isn't really helping anybody.

Helping people run a profitable business is not helping them? When did you become anti-capitalist?

I'm all ears though. How does it help minorities outside of not getting put in jail? Is there some proof like in California or Colorado that minorities and blacks are now thriving?

You mean, you want comparisons of those of the median wage of those who were not imprisoned with those who were? If not, what are you asking for here?
 
Isn't it interesting that Bernie has ranted against millionaires for his entire career and advocated for taxing them 100%, yet recently he made millions and he behaves exactly like any other capitalist because he has somehow convinced himself that in his case the riches are deserved.

He certainly has not advocated for 100% taxes. Most millionaires will still be millionaires. Fewer of their kids will be millionaires, but more of the kids of non-millionaires will become millionaires (going by other countries that have legislation similar to Sanders).
 
Helping people run a profitable business is not helping them? When did you become anti-capitalist?



You mean, you want comparisons of those of the median wage of those who were not imprisoned with those who were? If not, what are you asking for here?
Ok... But why a drug? Why weed?

From the age of being able to understand basic things I've been taught drugs were bad. Now is weed the worst drug ever? No, but I see nothing good about peddling marijuana use or alcohol use. It's a terrible think to push on minorities.
 
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Lol war is Socialist.

Exactly.
Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

How is war (our military) paid for?

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So basically anything paid with taxes is Socialist...

Exactly

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

What did you think socialism was?

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Yeah, you're right. Trump hasn't done a single thing that conservative's are in favor of. He is this evil genius who is actually doing the opposite of what they want and tricking them into believing they like it... except that he's not a genius, he's actually incredibly stupid. Good catch.

He is stupid. And people who are partisan are also stupid politically.
So the stupid partisan people will listen to what the stupid party leader says and support whatever that is

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Isn't it interesting that Bernie has ranted against millionaires for his entire career and advocated for taxing them 100%, yet recently he made millions and he behaves exactly like any other capitalist because he has somehow convinced himself that in his case the riches are deserved.
He will be taxed bigly then too. I don't think he has ranted against millionaires so much as how the system is rigged too heavily in millionaires favor.

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As opposed to a morality transplant for anyone who votes for the leader of the Birther Movement.

I'll hold my nose and vote Bernie every day.

And, yes, count on checks and balances.
If it's Bernie against Donald I'm certain there will be a lot of nose holding going on in voting booths around the country. I feel equally certain that Trump would come out the winner. In addition he would carry a lot of Republicans along with him. IMO the average Democrat voter is nowhere near as far left as Bernie. Comments like the ones he's made about Cuba are going to kill him in the general election. Florida will not be in play for sure.
He is stupid. And people who are partisan are also stupid politically.
So the stupid partisan people will listen to what the stupid party leader says and support whatever that is

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Dude, I hate to break it to you, but you are as partisan as they come (even though you are bit more sane than guys like Thriller).
 
If it's Bernie against Donald I'm certain there will be a lot of nose holding going on in voting booths around the country. I feel equally certain that Trump would come out the winner. In addition he would carry a lot of Republicans along with him. IMO the average Democrat voter is nowhere near as far left as Bernie. Comments like the ones he's made about Cuba are going to kill him in the general election. Florida will not be in play for sure.

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but you are as partisan as they come (even though you are bit more sane than guys like Thriller).
I'm not though. I'm not part of a political party.
I have only voted once.

I'm anti immigration and pro gun. Does that mean I'm a republican?
I'm also anti abortion and pro choice. Now what party do I belong too?

I don't get any of my views from any party. I just think trump shouldn't be president.

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I'm not though. I'm not part of a political party.
I have only voted once.

I'm anti immigration and pro gun. Does that mean I'm a republican?
I'm also anti abortion and pro choice. Now what party do I belong too?

I don't get any of my views from any party. I just think trump shouldn't be president.

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I've read scores of political posts from you. Every single one has fallen on the same side of the political spectrum. You are partisan. There's nothing wrong with admitting that. I am partisan too. The only difference is that I'm on the right side of the divide.
 
What is your definition of socialism?

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Socialism is a system where the means of production are socially owned, usually by the state.

It's not simply "things governments do." Of course the word has been used in American politics for the last couple decades at least by the right wing to mean "things the government does that I disagree with" so I understand the confusion.
 
He certainly has not advocated for 100% taxes. Most millionaires will still be millionaires. Fewer of their kids will be millionaires, but more of the kids of non-millionaires will become millionaires (going by other countries that have legislation similar to Sanders).

You've cited Denmark and have said things that lead me to believe you are deriving these claims from the World Economic Forum' Global Social Mobility Index. You should know that index specifically does not measure outcomes, but weighs and ranks instead by a group of social policies and programs they believe fosters mobility, actual results be damned. So, your claims that Denmark > USA is not true or false (if my assumption of your source is correct).

People here used to quote the WHO metric as proof that USA's healthcare is utter trash. That metric is similar, not judging on actual outcomes but what a panel believes will lead to better outcomes. I.E. policies the panel prefers.
 
classic definitions:

Communist Utopia...… Stateless..... no bureaucrats or even laws. Essentially, the idyllic dream of jellyfish floating happily in a warm sea, with no predators and lots of absorbable stuff to support life. No borders, no cops, no Republicans..... Actually, no sentient humans capable of scheming anything or doing anything that anyone could possibly object to.

Mormon Law of Consecration: A sea of do-gooders solicitously importuning everyone to take their stuff if they need it. All under the all-wise Bishop's counsels of course.

Socialism: State owned stuff, under the all-wise benevolent management of experts and corporate hacks doing revolving door careers between government regulators and corporate honchos. Elections, of course, managed by offshore vote-counting monopolies owned by extra-special honchos.

Capitalism, in the eyes of liberals: Piranha feeding frenzy over every loose ***(et).

Capitalism, in the eyes of megazillionaires: My stuff, my way, or the highway.

Capitalism, in the eyes of ordinary people: Freedom..... the right to take care of one's own damn ***(ets).

At heart, when it comes to one's own money, we are all Capitalists. But when we see an angle to take care of other peoples' money, we are all socialists.
 
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