TURKEY-FRANCE : FIirst game of the 2nd round

[BYE]

I still like the Tyson Chandler comparison for JV, and the Kevin Love comparison for Kanter.

I agree with the T. Chandler but a little quicker and not as much lift with better offensive aggression.

I actually like the Enes-Malone comparison, not in production, but in body type and basic skills. Enes looks like a fullback; Love looks like a trim pulling-guard on the offensive line. I'm not making any claims on Enes, just his mold.

 

[Dr. Jones]

"I do think Kanter was the safer pick and I strongly doubt Jonas has much more upside, if any at all."

Ok, how did i misunderstand this part. I am still on my first coffee, but seems pretty cut and dry. By the way i certainly think Kanter is going to be a very good player for us.

Ha! Gotcha now. I meant I doubt Jonas has much more, if any, upside than Kanter does. I see how you read it, I admit to the ambiguity.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

I was distracted and watched Raul Lopez in that Gasol video. Not really on topic but oh well.

 

[NCJazz]

Ha! Gotcha now. I meant I doubt Jonas has much more, if any, upside than Kanter does. I see how you read it, I admit to the ambiguity.

Ok, cant disagree with that. Both about same age and of course Kanter hardly played the last year. So hopefully we will seem some epic JV-Kanter matchups with Kanter getting the best of him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gasol is a prodigy on offense. JV is not. It's a bad comparison.

I simply meant I think Jonas has the ability to develop a perimeter game, yet still remain interior based, like Pau Gasol. There aren't many 7 foot Euro who fit that description, so I think Gasol is a fair comparison. During the draft I remember reading things like "Many scouts have been comparing Jonas to Pau Gasol" type articles, so my opinion isn't bat**** crazy like yall are making it out to be.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Too early to be sure, but I agree with GVC on the Chandler comparison, as a better one. I think a god comparison for Enes, however, is a cross between Kevin Love and Chuck Norris, only better .. on Enes' worst day, with no breakfast .. and double super-duper blindfolded.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I simply meant I think Jonas has the ability to develop a perimeter game, yet still remain interior based, like Pau Gasol. There aren't many 7 foot Euro who fit that description, so I think Gasol is a fair comparison. During the draft I remember reading things like "Many scouts have been comparing Jonas to Pau Gasol" type articles, so my opinion is bat**** crazy like yall are making it out to be.

Look, if Millsap can go from the player he was into the player he is, then anything is possible. But the one thing that defines Gasol is his prowess and proficiency at offense. It's like saying Kanter is Alonzo Mourning because he runs the floor. It's basically ignoring the one thing a person is identified as ('Zo will always be known for his defense, especially since that was what he continued to do well long after he was a consistent scorer).

Somewhere between Joakim Noah and Tyson Chandler seems right to me for JV if you have to make the comparison.

 

[MVP]

You cant hit 11/20s every game. They have good offense, but Spain played with them like cat plays with mouse. They made 30 pts in 3rd quarter. Lithuania can only dream about winning the title. They are good at taking advantage of the opposite teams weaknesses with their energy and home court advantage, but they are very LIMITED. It is enough to prove that with Kleizas absence. 19 yrs old Valanciunas is the best big guy, because the other ones suck. Turkey has a few very good players, Hedo, Ersan, Emir, Omer Asik, Omer Onan, Kanter but the problem is they cant manage to finish games. And Lithuania has good guards, Kalneitis and Jasikevicius, but we are opposite. Kerem sucks this tourney, and Ender doesnt have very good pg skills. Probably Turkey will be eliminated at this round, but even know, Turkey has more chance to win the champioship than Lithuania.

And Spain is not going to hit 11-17 3 pointers vs LT in next game either.
No way Turkey has more chance to win it all then LT. You still ignore the fact that LT has better bench then Turkey is best passing team in competition and has better coaching plus huge home court advantage ( and they haven't yet played in new Kaunas arena which will have 16.000 crazy fans cheering for them). Compare last two games, LT 25 assists, Turkey 5 assists. I said Turkey have great individual players who do not know how to play as a team - this will not get you any medals.
Spain is crazy strong team but LT beat them in friendly before the tournament and can beat them in single game. If that would be 7 game series it would be different but one final? why not, Russia did that to on Spain's home floor in 2007 when nobody gave then a chance.

 

[cowhide]

Well if the coach is too inexperienced then why is he coaching? If I were the coach, my first rule would be to play the best player regardless of their experience. I would think you would win more games that way.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Well if the coach is too inexperienced then why is he coaching? If I were the coach, my first rule would be to play the best player regardless of their experience. I would think you would win more games that way.

Everyone has to start somewhere.

 

[GVC]

Everyone has to start somewhere.

Preferably not at such a high level tournament.

 

[sepanol]

And Spain is not going to hit 11-17 3 pointers vs LT in next game either.
No way Turkey has more chance to win it all then LT. You still ignore the fact that LT has better bench then Turkey is best passing team in competition and has better coaching plus huge home court advantage ( and they haven't yet played in new Kaunas arena which will have 16.000 crazy fans cheering for them). Compare last two games, LT 25 assists, Turkey 5 assists. I said Turkey have great individual players who do not know how to play as a team - this will not get you any medals.
Spain is crazy strong team but LT beat them in friendly before the tournament and can beat them in single game. If that would be 7 game series it would be different but one final? why not, Russia did that to on Spain's home floor in 2007 when nobody gave then a chance.

Im trying to show, Lithuanias chance to win it all is as low as Turkey. Friendly doesnt mean anything, LT will not beat a Spain with Pau Gasol. Anyway we will see, Lithuania played good against Serbia and i wasnt expecting a win, but you cant go till the end with limited players like them. They are like 12 jj reddicks. They share the ball and play good team ball but if Turkey play disciplined in defense, we can beat them easily. Remeber we hold Spain at 57 points and France at 68. They almost couldnt score in last quarter with our zone defense. Turkey just cant execute offense and thats why starts all these problems. Only with individual skills of players and we have terrible shooting consistency this tournament. Otherwise we are one of the best defending teams in this tournament.

 

[MVP]

Well if the coach is too inexperienced then why is he coaching? If I were the coach, my first rule would be to play the best player regardless of their experience. I would think you would win more games that way.

Maybe turkish guys have more inside info but to me it looks that Turkoglu has more to say on that team then coach.

 

[sepanol]

Well if the coach is too inexperienced then why is he coaching? If I were the coach, my first rule would be to play the best player regardless of their experience. I would think you would win more games that way.

Did anyone say why Sloan is coaching when he started coaching in jazz?

Anyway we will see in future how good he can be but in Turkey, the basketball and soccer is different than eachother. Soccer is most popular sport so noone has any patience, they would sack the coach in 2 games. But in basketball , they are patient, thats why we made a huge leap in recent years. It just sucks to watch them in such a chaotic style of play. Otherwise i still insist we still have best roster after Spain, together with France or even better. With a good guard like Teodosic we could be a much much better team but unfortunately, Turkey cant grow very good guards, i dont know why

 

[GVC]

Im trying to show, Lithuanias chance to win it all is as low as Turkey.

Turkey definitely seems to have more pure talent than Lithuania, but they play so ****ing stupid. You can't win with the sort of perimeter play and decision making/coaching that Turkey has. Lithuania has a chance because they play so well as a team, and have enough defense/rebounding to make it hard for opposing teams to score. There's no way in hell Turkey is winning this tournament.

 

[sepanol]

Maybe turkish guys have more inside info but to me it looks that Turkoglu has more to say on that team then coach.

If he wants to he can have more control over team but Hedo isnt a guy with a huge ego. He is a team player, but right now there isnt a good balance or chemistry in the team, i dont think there is much to do. I am just sad because this group of players could achieve much more instead of being eliminated in this round

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Just because of Cyrone's JV knob-slobbing, I am rooting for him to fail. Miserably.

 

[sepanol]

Turkey definitely seems to have more pure talent than Lithuania, but they play so ****ing stupid. You can't win with the sort of perimeter play and decision making/coaching that Turkey has. Lithuania has a chance because they play so well as a team, and have enough defense/rebounding to make it hard for opposing teams to score. There's no way in hell Turkey is winning this tournament.

I agree and there is no way in hell that Lithuania is winning too. It should be miracles for me. Also i dont see France as a team who is gonna be champions because they panicked so badly in last quarter, and in one hand Turkey showed the way to other teams how to stop France, zone defense.
I think Spain will win it all unless one of Gasols get injured or something. But i dont see any other challenging team. And probably Turkey is gonna stay as the only team to beat Spain in this tourney.

 

[sepanol]

Just because of Cyrone's JV knob-slobbing, I am rooting for him to fail. Miserably.

I actually like him, he is a good player but after so much interest in him, (not even a jazz player) and the comparisons with Kanter, i started to root in same way. But i dont think he is gonna be a star player in nba anyway which Kanter can be.

 

[GVC]

If he wants to he can have more control over team but Hedo isnt a guy with a huge ego. He is a team player, but right now there isnt a good balance or chemistry in the team, i dont think there is much to do. I am just sad because this group of players could achieve much more instead of being eliminated in this round

Based on personnel, the offense should be predicated on getting the ball to the rim. That is, dump the ball into Savas/Kanter, run PnRs with Asik, or have Hedo/Preldzic/Ilyasova attack off the dribble. Turkey should use their size to their advantage, and then, when opposing teams are forced to put bigger, inferior players on the court, have Preldzic, Onan and Ilyasova waiting outside to knock down open jumpers. Defenders will continue to play Turkey tight until they show a sustained commitment to pounding the ball inside.