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Sadly, we'll cross the 10k number in deaths today. Hoping we can limit the number of lives lost as much as possible.
 

Sorry, but yes.

Just do the research. The information is out there. Doctors are literally using this worldwide.

Are you familiar with confirmation bias? Millions of doctors use, an occasional doctor sees better-than-average results, and that doctors gets publicized. Meanwhile, millions of doctors don't use it, an occasional doctor gets better-than-average results, and no one publicizes the non-use of chloroquine.

Every statement in that paragraph was false. Sorry, but there is no cure at this time.
 
When has Donald told the truth about anything? When has he been right? You folks are giving him credibility when you shouldn’t. He lied about his wealth, his university, his inauguration size, who’d pay for the wall, health care, porn stars, colluding with Russia, Ukraine, and about this virus being the flu. Now suddenly you believe he’s onto something about this drug?

Just how stupid are you? Are you graduates from Trump U? I really just don’t understand why some of you keep falling for this.

“Trump says...” should’ve become the new “I saw x person at bestbuy” a long time ago.
 
When has Donald told the truth about anything? When has he been right? You folks are giving him credibility when you shouldn’t. He lied about his wealth, his university, his inauguration size, who’d pay for the wall, health care, porn stars, colluding with Russia, Ukraine, and about this virus being the flu. Now suddenly you believe he’s onto something about this drug?

Just how stupid are you? Are you graduates from Trump U? I really just don’t understand why some of you keep falling for this.

“Trump says...” should’ve become the new “I saw x person at bestbuy” a long time ago.
Who are you talking to?
 
One thing I will say regarding where things are at in reports of anything working or not working regarding COVID-19 treatment:

We're often looking for very easy, black-and-white answers to things, and we try to fit each intervention into some kind of dichotomous framework of "it works" or "it doesn't," yet we fail to synthesize the information enough to know what it is or isn't telling us.

For instance, all of this is better looked at not through a lens of "does it work or not," but rather through a lens of sensitivity and specificity. That would better help us appraise information rather than feeling compelled to accept or dismiss information. All across medicine, tests are used as information to aid in the decision-making process. No tests (or, at least not often) are used in isolation. A clinical correlation is warranted. Tests that are sensitive mean that it is sensitive to catching whatever problem you are testing for. Because it casts a more wide net, sensitive tests generally come at the cost of specificity. With a sensitive test, it means that if you have the condition tested for, you are very likely to test positive. With sensitive tests, there are generally much more false positives. So testing positive on a sensitive test doesn't necessarily mean you have the condition tested for. On the other hand, a specific test means that if you test positive, you very likely have the condition tested for (meaning there are few false positives). Neither sensitivity nor specificity are inherently good or bad. They are both important. Obviously, in an ideal world, you'd have tests that are both sensitive and specific, but that's not the world we live in. It requires us to utilize each type of test in different circumstances to give us certain information about a problem. In many circumstances, a sensitive test helps rule out conditions, rather than diagnose them. Sensitive tests are often used as screening tests, as many sensitive tests may be very cheap before you start escalating through the testing process for very expensive tests. To some, this has caused them to think results of a sensitive test are worthless. For instance, a D-dimer is a level that would be elevated in circumstances in which there may be clots, such as a pulmonary embolism. The test is sensitive, but it is not specific. There's a bit of hesitation sometimes in ordering it because it may not be unlikely to have an elevated D-dimer, even if you're not having a pulmonary embolism, which then leaves a physician in the position of having to chase down why the D-dimer is elevated. But an elevated D-dimer doesn't tell you that you've got a pulmonary embolism. So why order it? Is it worthless? If someone comes in with shortness of breath and chest pain, and you have a negative D-dimer, then you can pretty reasonably conclude that the cause of their presentation is not a pulmonary embolism, unless you have some other relevant clinic information to override that. So even though the test itself isn't specific for anything (there are multiple different things that could cause its elevation), it can still provide very useful information that guides management and treatment.

Now, shifting from a sensitive test to specific ones. The example I would give here would be Alzheimer's dementia. The only true specific test (i.e. confirmatory) is a brain biopsy. That would be the "gold standard." Not in terms of actually doing it is it standard, but that's the only way to definitively determine if one has Alzheimer's dementia. Clearly that's not something that's being done. With regard to dementia, you are first doing a screening test (i.e. a sensitive test), such as a Montreal Cognitive Assessment. The Montreal Cognitive Assessment is more sensitive than it is specific, meaning that people could still score in a range of dementia but not actually have dementia. But specifically to Alzheimer's dementia, you're not going to be doing a brain biopsy so you will be left with more flawed ways to reach the conclusions, relative to the definitive test (brain biopsy). All across medicine, information from both sensitive and specific tests are utilized to help guide next steps in management. It doesn't mean at all that a positive D-dimer means that someone automatically gets anti-coagulated with suspected pulmonary embolism, but it does mean that the presence (or absence) of an elevated D-dimer may change the next steps in management.

Now, my point in how this all relates to what's going on now. Given where we are in the midst of all this, it should come as no surprise to us that the type of information we could get regarding any potentially positive management of COVID-19 and its sequelae would be analogous to being sensitive but not necessarily specific for good management practices. What I mean by that, is that you will hear a lot of different things that may have potential. Not all of them will actually bear out to be beneficial interventions. The evidence you would have to support them would be far from conclusive. The best available evidence may actually just be reports of people on the ground. That certainly doesn't mean that those reports will end up proving true, any more than an elevated D-dimer may not actually be because of a pulmonary embolism. In this sense, what we're currently hearing at the ground-level may be a sensitive test for finding potentially beneficial interventions, but is certainly not a specific one. What this tells us is that the data on the ground will precede more conclusive kinds of evidence that would unfold over larger intervals of time, but the fact that something precedes that does not mean that all things preceding that evidence will go on to have that evidence validating it. I trust that everybody understands that part. What I see people struggling with is a backwards rationalization of saying that because the ground-level evidence is flawed, it is therefore evidence against something. This is very flawed reasoning. The equivalent of this would be saying that because a D-dimer is so poorly specific, that the presence of an elevated D-dimer is evidence that one does not have a pulmonary embolism. That's essentially where I feel we are at in all of this. We're suggesting that because the kind of evidence on the ground is too sensitive (it is) and often misleading (it often is), that somehow the presence of this evidence is evidence against it. Rather, it needs to be approached in the same way that one would actually approach managing a patient with an elevated D-dimer. The person who tells everyone "well, you've got an elevated D-dimer, so you probably don't have a pulmonary embolism" is going to end up with a lot of dead patients.
 
I don't believe he used the word cure. I believe he used the word mitigate.

Thank you for the correction. The entire paragraph is still false, but I would not want to accuse him of propagating a different falsehood than the one he is actually propagating.
 
Here’s some projections from the University of Washington.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

You can go by state and it projects hospital resources and projected shortages as a function of time.

Overall with social distancing, projecting about 80k deaths by August.
I wanted to bump this. I had originally posted it back about two weeks ago. These are projections from a model from the University of Washington. They break down each state onto a graph of the curve showing how many projected hospital beds, as well as how many ICU beds, will be needed over time. This model has assumed that everything stays in place. "Projections assuming full social distancing through May 2020." They've just updated the model with new information over the past couple days. Utah has gone from about 600 some odd projected deaths by August to 186 projected in the new model.
 
@Gameface how do you think this went over with the crew? What’s your opinion on this situation overall?


Well I'm not understanding the sympathy I'm seeing everywhere for the CO.

I'm also not understanding the rationale of getting the sailors off the ship, as if the ship is infected and as soon as they are freed from it they'll be okay. That's not true. THEY are infected. And in my opinion you should consider each and every sailor on that ship as having direct contact with the virus.

As I mentioned, you have 4 options for which chow line you stand in if your E-1 to E-6 (easily 90% of the crew). You are all touching the same handrails, door levers, etc.. That's just one example. Another is that in birthing (where they sleep) each bed is within 6ft of up to 16 other beds that have air-to-air contact, double that if you want to count the beds on the other side of some sheet metal. There are about 6 shower stalls per 100 sailors. Are you getting the picture of how close the contact is between every enlisted sailor even on a ship as large as an aircraft carrier? Ships are cleaned and cleaned and cleaned but they are dirty as **** when it comes to germs and common surfaces that get touched buy literally thousands of different hands a day.

The best thing to do in that situation is keep those sailors on that ship. First, these are military service members who have to maintain a certain level of physical readiness. If they were "vulnerable" they wouldn't be on the ship and they wouldn't be in the military. So the number of severe cases would likely be minimal.

What I think is absolutely unacceptable is taking all those exposed sailors off the contained environment they are in and bringing them into contact with civilians and a larger community that THEY are now putting at risk. I'm not intending this to be a macho thing, but those sailors signed up to keep civilians safe even at the risk of their own life. The best way to do that is to stay on the ****ing ship.

As for the captain, well he broke the rules of being the captain of any sort of ship in the U.S. Navy and CO jobs on aircraft carriers are at an entirely different level than that of a destroyer. If he didn't like the results he was getting from his chain of command (it is a short chain of command for someone in his position) his option was to step down in protest.

As for the crew cheering for him... I imagine he was a "nice guy captain" which is the typical role as far as I ever saw. The bad guy is always the XO (Executive Officer, second in command). And those sailors want to do what enlisted sailors always want to do, they want to get off the ship for a little while. So they cheer for the guy trying to get them off the ship. I'm not impressed.
 


Why aren’t people congratulating this president? He’s worked his *** off. Only 29,000 new cases and 1,200 dead today. Why aren’t we more Congratulatory?
 
anyone Wonder if trump and some of his friends have stock in this drug? The way they’re pumping it makes me wonder if they’re pulling a Burr/Loeffer and trying to profit off this disease. There’s definitely precedent for this sort of thing...

annnndddd BINGO. I was right. No wonder why he’s pumping this drug so much. He’s trying to profit off the pandemic.

imagine the outrage if email woman had done this.
 
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