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The Thriller
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I understand the basic claims. I was hoping @Heathme did. Or if he could merely post twitter posts from far right wing posters?
A few people I work with were talking on facebook and one said something like "If we were able to survive the Obama Presidency I'm sure we'll be able to survive the Trump Presidency."
I'm thinking back like what major issues did Obama cause? When did he look incompetent (tan suit notwithstanding)? What did he do to damage our relationships with our allies? What did he do to embolden our adversaries?
Yeah the media was way soft on him. There were issues that didn't get a lot of attention, like the aggressive deportations that were happening. But even looking back with a more critical eye it was a relatively uneventful Presidency.
Avery
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He did have dijon mustard instead of deli mustard as well.
Jokes aside, I think the media was also friendlier to him as he treated them with much more respect. I think that's why the coverage was a bit more glowing. The admin wasn't perfect; I think fining people for lack of health coverage was ridiculous. They also didn't handle the Libyan War quite well by sitting on the sidelines. I was also disappointed that we weren't able to push more gun reform though blame for that mostly lies at the hands of Congress.
Zombie
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So... This woman applied and was approved for the loan, but never during that process did she try to learn how the program worked? And was confused when the money she asked for arrived?
Sure.
The Thriller
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But But But... I saw it on Facebook that she was just tryin to feed her children and the big liberal Texas controlled gubbamint took over her hair place, burned it and her church to the ground using 5G, and said that she'd get a gay married to a mooslem socialist illegal Mexico in a week unless we didn't get super angry and protest the doctors and scientists! I saw it on Facebook so it must be true! It's all a liberal plandemic for Bill Gates to take over our minds with vaccines. Once everyone is vaccinated, George Soros and the rest of his Jewish globalists friends will overthrow our democracy. Without the essential oils from my MLM ward member, I won't be able to resist throwing away my guns and trading them in for universal health care and tuition free college. And we all know what'll happen once George Soros takes over, Hitlery will become the president and she'll set up Gulags for white Christians! We'll be sent to labs in Wuhan! Be very afraid and angry and donate to Trump! He's the only one keeping this from happening!
It was an obvious grift and I can't believe people are still falling for these stunts.
- Someone does something stupid to get on Fox News. They know that they can make a lot of money by taking advantage of the right wing propaganda apparatus by playing the victim of some big scary gubbamint conspiracy.
- Fox news picks it up, because they know it's red meat for their brain dead base. Their base is too stupid to ask basic questions about the alleged victim so they fall for it and get angry.
- The base gets angry, spawning more grifters on social media. Often, billionaires and Trump supporters pile on, knowing that they can use this conspiracy to either distract the public from the latest Trump disaster or use the conspiracy to hammer at progressives. What's interesting is how people on social media keep falling for this. Fox News is home of the rubes, we get that. So why are people still falling for it on social media? Like I said recently, I saw people on my wife's Facebook calling the pandemic a "plandemic" by Bill Gates to get us all vaccinated. Anyway, I digress...
- Mainstream media fears being called "biased" so they then ignore 99 percent of the crap that Trump does and then focus on whatever current conspiracy Fox News is cooking up.
- Public opinion is typically swayed towards the right before factcheckers can blow up the Fox News conspiracy.
- By the time the conspiracy is blown up and the grifter is exposed, Fox News moves onto the next MAGA victim. The process starts over again and the gullible public is then manipulated again and again and again and again. Just watch, "Obamagate" is going to be treated as a serious controversy while Barr's politicizing of the DOJ will receive scant coverage. Many of us have caught onto this crap so I'm still amazed that there are those outside of the MAGA cult who continue to fall for these manufactured right wing "victims." Whether it's Joe the Plumber, Obama salute, or this woman, the right is always the victim to the mean liberals. I guess they still can't figure out that Facebook isn't a reliable source for information and they still trust their moronic uncles' emails. *shrug*
The Thriller
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you ask some good questions here. I think I’ll be able to respond to them later tonight or tomorrow. I think there are a lot of things to unpack here.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/may/12/kareem-abdul-jabbar-covid-19-donald-trump
Kareem, still dominating.
Kareem, still dominating.
Interesting news from Sweden. European commission projects 6.1% drop in GDP for Sweden this year and Sweden's central bank Riksbank has released their GDP projection for the year and the impact of COVID-19 on the economy and they project their economy will not see much of any benefit from the government not implementing any restrictions. They project a drop of between 6.9% and 9.7%... which is in line with what most other countries in Europe project their economies to suffer. Various other financial and economics experts and think tanks project similar numbers in the range of 6-8% drop and about 10% unemployment.
https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-dcb4-4721-9e58-a7b262cd4b6e
https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-dcb4-4721-9e58-a7b262cd4b6e
RandyForRubio
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I think around 40% of Covid deaths in the US have been from nursing homes. Obviously more in, say, New York where nursing homes were forced to take Covid patients. How Cuomo gets a pass for that, btw, is ridiculous.
We've also seen Stanford, and a few other places, including in Europe, have antibody testing that indicates the the spread was far more, and earlier, than we realized. Spreading all the tests around, seems like the rate is assumed to be around 15-30x higher than reported, obviously most of these are asymptomatic.
Now if you're 24 or under, looks like you have around a one in a million chance of dying from Corona. That's with current testing, with the new studies, probably less than that. 54 and under and it's 46 in a million, or, 0.0046% chance. As you get older, especially 70 to 80's, dramatically increases.
So based on the data, why don't we shut down hard on the nursing homes, have stay at homes for the elderly, and carry on with life? Still wear masks, still practice good hygiene, but, I mean...we're shutting down for this?
I think we have enough data that opening up is okay. My state has 459 cases, total, and 16 deaths. We shut down for that?!
We've also seen Stanford, and a few other places, including in Europe, have antibody testing that indicates the the spread was far more, and earlier, than we realized. Spreading all the tests around, seems like the rate is assumed to be around 15-30x higher than reported, obviously most of these are asymptomatic.
Now if you're 24 or under, looks like you have around a one in a million chance of dying from Corona. That's with current testing, with the new studies, probably less than that. 54 and under and it's 46 in a million, or, 0.0046% chance. As you get older, especially 70 to 80's, dramatically increases.
So based on the data, why don't we shut down hard on the nursing homes, have stay at homes for the elderly, and carry on with life? Still wear masks, still practice good hygiene, but, I mean...we're shutting down for this?
I think we have enough data that opening up is okay. My state has 459 cases, total, and 16 deaths. We shut down for that?!
sahlensguy
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Opening up means putting those who make the least with the worst access to healthcare on the front lines, risking their lives for your convenience.
RandyForRubio
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Look. If you're 24 and under, you're more likely to get struck by lightning than die from Covid.
54 and under, 0.004% chance.
85+ the chance of dying, so far, is 0.175%, and that's more than double any other age group.
There will always be a risk, with anything we do. Having an entire nation at home, having kids miss school, I don't see where the risks detailed above make up for that.
And I disagree with your premise. We can open up, continue wearing masks, practice good hygiene, and be fine. Especially if the rate of infection is 15-30x greater than what's been reported like the blood tests are showing.
sahlensguy
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I don't like the economy crumbling as we sit at home, waiting this out either. But people are not fine. More than 1/3 of the Tyson employees at the their largest meat packing plant have tested positive. Ordering them back on the job is absurdly unjust.
Same goes for every other frontline worker.
We just can't expect them go back to work when they make the least amount of money with the worst access to healthcare.
This isn't all about the death rate.
I'm all for opening things up if it's done right and groups that need more protection get that.
This is more a side note because I haven't seen much about it recently. Is the antibody tests accurate? I've read some reports that they are not.
China had a new small outbreak in Wuhan. They shut things down again there and are going to test every person. I hope they test for who has had it in the past and release that information. But I would be shocked if they released that because it probably will show it was spread a lot more. They will probably release how many currently have it. That's harder to lie about and the Chinese people would be mad if they didn't say that.
RandyForRubio
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I don't think you're quite understanding what I'm saying.
I'm not saying, everybody back, just like before! I'm talking about a slow re-opening.
And yes, it is about the death rate. We were ordered, forced, to shut down to prevent people from dying. To prevent the overflow of hospitals. And now? Hospitals are practically empty. We've found out it's not as lethal as we thought. Almost every model has been exponentially wrong. And yet we sit, and wait. And wait. And wait.
RandyForRubio
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I would assume they are, but truthfully, I don't know.