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[JazzyFresh]

The “main” video circulating on the internet shows Mr. Blake with the knife in his left hand when he rounds the front of the car. The officers issued repeated commands for Mr. Blake to drop the knife. He did not comply.


This is on video and is just slightly questionable. The grainy video shows an object in his hands while cops are screaming "drop the knife". To think this was just coincidence is just playing dumb. His attorney already said he had a knife.

Mr. Blake actively resisted the officers’ attempt to gain compliance.

This is common sense.

The officers then disengaged and drew their tasers, issuing commands to Mr. Blake that he would be tased if he did not comply.

Unknown but I have seen most news sources report the tasers to be true. Even left wing sources like my CNN link below



It's also alleged that the car was not his and he stole the keys

Via CNN
In a police call, a dispatcher names Blake and says he "isn't supposed to be there" and that he took the complainant's keys and refused to leave.

What we know so far about Jacob Blake's shooting

Days after Jacob Blake was shot by police in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and large protests erupted, authorities are revealing more information about the shooting.

www.google.com

Based on the inability to gain
compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms.

Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers’ commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.

He was tased(again I see no arguments), resisted, then cops pulled their guns. With guns pulled he continued to reach into his car. Video evidence shows this

 

[fishonjazz]

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[Isaiah 1:13]

You've earned the blame Oh great and mighty one, not me, you deal with it. It must be nice seeing the world from such a narrow and dogmatic perspective. Maybe you should venture outside of the comfort of your parent's basement and get a taste of the real world with all its' nuance and deceit. Santa Claus isn't real!

PS Fact check please! Percentage of people who commit homicides is not even close to being the same for both races. Blacks make up just over 13% of the population and account for nearly half of all murders in this country. This is based on Bureau of Justice statistics. Regarding homicide, in 2008 offending rate for blacks was seven time higher than whites and victimization rate was six times higher. In 2013 the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38% of all murders in this country.

Whites do lead in one category however. White men commit 74% of all suicides in this country. But hey we're devils right, I guess we've earned the hatred and imposed guilt by the color of our skin. Idiot!

I quoted my own post because I just wanted to see how many more cowards would dislike it without giving me one good reason for the dislike. Actually, I dislike a lot of things, doesn't mean they aren't true or necessary though.

 

[Gameface]

I quoted my own post because I just wanted to see how many more cowards would dislike it without giving me one good reason for the dislike. Actually, I dislike a lot of things, doesn't mean they aren't true or necessary though.

Did you see my post about the preschool to prison pipeline? Modern day jim crow? Does any of that mean anything to you in regard to what you posted?

But let's be crystal ****ing clear about one thing. Your post means one thing that can't be denied. You think that black humans are fundamentally different than white humans. You are making an argument that black people have a tendency to violence that is absent in white people. That black people are incapable of the same civility that is natural to white people. That's what you just quoted yourself saying.

Rather than just throwing some stats at that argument, you're going to have to dive MUCH deeper if you want that perspective, an inherently racist perspective, to be taken seriously.

 

[whatthe]

Oh no, this doesn't end. This one really gets to me. And it blows up the argument that its a a circumstance issue. This was an old guy in the rural/country road getting road getting shot .... what the hell???? That does any kind of nuanced argument. This isn't an overwhelmed cop in the city. This was a young 27 year old cop that should be onto oh his profession. This somehow goes deeper.

A Georgia man was fatally shot by a state trooper. His family's attorney says he was on his way to the store to get his wife a soda

Julian Lewis went out to get a grape soda for his wife on August 7, his family says, but he never came home.

www.cnn.com

 

[whatthe]

Personally, I think you want to reach more people and the giant conservative crowd then you would need to try to reach the religious leaders. You dont have to meet all of them. I know the mormon connection has a big outsizwd influence. The evangelical community watches the mormon community so racial injustice is being pushed then they will follow along.. it's true just watch it happen.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Personally I think you preach unity and solidarity instead of this. How does preaching murder get the average American behind said cause?

 

[JazzyFresh]

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Lol all that says is that he did not technically "brandish"(by definition wave it around) a knife. It didn't say he didn't have it in his hand.

Video taken by onlookers shows something in Blake’s hand, but the resolution is low, so it could be a knife, sunglasses or something else.

And we don’t yet know if the knife police later found in the SUV was there throughout the confrontation or held by Blake at some point. But Blake was not “brandishing” anything in the video taken by bystanders. Due to the lack of evidence establishing these claims at this point, we rate this claim FALSE.

Now as I said originally the video is grainy so it's not fact but... for all of this the being coincidental, things like his attorney admitting to him having a knife, cops screaming "drop the knife", and then finding the knife, there's far more evidence he did have one.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I live in China and understand what you're trying to say, but it's not the same. Stop trying to act like you are in the same boat. Those are very different scenarios. There is no such thing as reverse racism. What you are saying is a big part of the problem. You are diminishing others plights by trying to create an equivalence.

No, I'm not. Treating people EQUALLY means holding them all to the same set of standards. I am not talking about reverse racism or whatever you want to call it. I am talking about treating PEOPLE with respect.

Quit trying to justify people not treating people with respect because history justifies it. That's what the Jews and Palestines have said for 2,000 years. It doesn't fix anything.

Its not about justifying racially charged comments as "not the same weight" or as defined by... The solution takes people treating people with equality. Period.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Did you see my post about the preschool to prison pipeline? Modern day jim crow? Does any of that mean anything to you in regard to what you posted?

But let's be crystal ****ing clear about one thing. Your post means one thing that can't be denied. You think that black humans are fundamentally different than white humans. You are making an argument that black people have a tendency to violence that is absent in white people. That black people are incapable of the same civility that is natural to white people. That's what you just quoted yourself saying.

Rather than just throwing some stats at that argument, you're going to have to dive MUCH deeper if you want that perspective, an inherently racist perspective, to be taken seriously.

Wow!!! You got all that from some stats about the inproportionate percentage of black crime in this country? Because I somehow had the audacity to post some incontrovertible statistics as a means to understand the enormous job police officers in these communities are charged with, I’m a racist huh? Not just a racist but according to your expert analysis, one that doesn’t believe black people have the capacity for civility. That’s more than an epic stretch, it’s slanderous.

Sir, I myself work in the black community. I’m the guy (among others) breaking down the “racial stereotypes” about how white people are. I’ve given out suits, shoes, pants, shirts, jackets, some my own, some picked up at Goodwill (I’m not rich). A few of them still only say hello when other black folks aren’t around (including some teachers).

In my experience, black Americans are incredibly cliquish. Not near so much for immigrants from Africa, Cuba, Jamaica etc., from my experience. That being said, I’ve been to parties where I was the only non black. I’ve had and continue to have tons of friends (primarily tennis related now) of the Black persuasion.

When I was in college I’m one of the kids that imposed on my parent’s Christian ethic so that a Nigerian exchange student had a place to go for the holidays. I once gave a total stranger (big muscular fella) a ride home from a store I was shopping in because he was loaded up with can goods and on the bus. Turns out he was a born again Christian that had played football for U of U then fallen into the life of drugs, alcohol and fast women.

Also one time before cell phones and no buses running on a Sunday, and nothing open, my car broke down in a black neighborhood. A nice but rough looking man in the 711 offered a ride home. On the ride home he gave me his name and I found out that he was a professional boxer. I offered to pay but he refused to take a dime. Afterward I made some phone calls and there was a nice story printed up in the local sports page about this extraordinarily kind Black boxer.

I married my wife to save her from deportation when I was unemployed and out of a career. That was 30 years ago and to this day we’ve never taken a penny of Federal assistance.

People are all the same in my book they just all look different. I’ve always been an idealist and a free thinker. Variety is the spice of life and I’ve always enjoyed people of all racial and ethnic persuasions, but I pull away from any groups of people that have exclusionary agendas.

 

[Ron Mexico]

No, I'm not. Treating people EQUALLY means holding them all to the same set of standards. I am not talking about reverse racism or whatever you want to call it. I am talking about treating PEOPLE with respect.

Quit trying to justify people not treating people with respect because history justifies it. That's what the Jess and palestines have said for 2,000 years. It doesn't fix anything.

Thats a different conversation. I have never claimed it was not rude or mean. I wasn't discussing whether it was respectful or not. I agree people should treat each other with respect only up to a point though. Once someone loses my respect I don't need to treat them with respect. But this is all a tangent and not relevant to what we were discussing.

We don't need to hold everyone to the same standards. Someone in a position of power has different standards to live up to then someone who is not for example. I can give you lots of examples when standards are and should be different.

 

[One Brow]

Lol explain fascism please.

Why would that be relevant to whether you have fascist tendencies? It's a very open-ended request.

 

[One Brow]

While you're frantically googling what fascism means(there' was nothing fascist about posting a police statement)please also tell me what parts are wrong and provide evidence.

I didn't say posting a police report was fascist, and you did not post a police report. You posted a confused, disjointed, and partial summary.

Again, I don't believe that officers saw the knife and then tried to wrestle him down.

 

[One Brow]

I quoted my own post because I just wanted to see how many more cowards would dislike it without giving me one good reason for the dislike. Actually, I dislike a lot of things, doesn't mean they aren't true or necessary though.

Anyone who's been around for any length of time here would have been ware that I would respond to you comment, and why would that need to be added to?

As for the "truth" of your words, we all see our own truths. I find yours to be laughable, and worth very little serious consideration in this thread.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Why would that be relevant to whether you have fascist tendencies? It's a very open-ended request.

Because you have no clue what fascism means...

 

[One Brow]

Personally I think you preach unity and solidarity instead of this. How does preaching murder get the average American behind said cause?

I missed the part where any actual police officer was attacked.

However, if you really believe in preaching unity and solidarity, go join the protests and spread your message.

 

[JazzyFresh]

I didn't say posting a police report was fascist, and you did not post a police report. You posted a confused, disjointed, and partial summary.

Again, I don't believe that officers saw the knife and then tried to wrestle him down.

I posted the police statement of what happened word for word....

 

[One Brow]

Because you have no clue what fascism means...

Fascism means many different things to different people, and fascist tendencies can be even broader in the scope of what qualifies.

 

[JazzyFresh]

I missed the part where any actual police officer was attacked.

However, if you really believe in preaching unity and solidarity, go join the protests and spread your message.

No way. These people(rioters and people openly wanting to bash cops and politicians brains out) are violent. I'm peaceful. I have no desire to destroy, burn, loot, block traffic, or cause trouble for innocent people. These people are openly calling for blood shed. Me, I want us all to get along and love each other

 

[JazzyFresh]

Fascism means many different things to different people, and fascist tendencies can be even broader in the scope of what qualifies.

K.