2020 Free Agency Thread

[Handlogten's Heros]

Dewayne Demond is out there now that he was waived and stretched... may have been more prudent to nab him at the minimum than to give the bag to Favs...

Shaq Harrison and Jordan Mclaughlin out there too... just waive NWG now and sign one of those guys.

 

[Getting Traded]

I don't understand why the Jazz are keeping NWG, who's not even good enough to be a third-string PG. Couldn't they've resigned Neto?

 

[infection]

Dewayne Demond is out there now that he was waived and stretched... may have been more prudent to nab him at the minimum than to give the bag to Favs...

Shaq Harrison and Jordan Mclaughlin out there too... just waive NWG now and sign one of those guys.

Good examples of how less is more. Could have saved this franchise a lot of money this year. A lot of people in my profession use a lot of trade-name medication, that are hundreds of times the price and give you negligible (if any) benefit. People go to great lengths to lay out these (supposedly) fancy regimens where it sounds cool on paper, but people do just as poorly on this medications as they did off of them (or often worse). I find people get a lot more traction with a much simpler list (if a list at all) that’s composed almost entirely of medications you could get from Walmart for $4 if you didn’t have insurance.

But, hey, it has a cool name and a fancy pen. You pay more in meds than in rent, but it looks really good in theory and on paper.

This offseason was too easy to be both successful and cheap. Instead we were sorta successful and expensive AF.

 

[KqWIN]

Dewayne Dedmon also stinks....He's legit awful, but it's a good thought. Bradley is a better player than Dedmon.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Dewayne Dedmon also stinks....He's legit awful, but it's a good thought. Bradley is a better player than Dedmon.

I don’t want him now but he’s way better than TB and it isn’t close. Good rim protector which is the primary function of a center.

 

[KqWIN]

I don’t want him now but he’s way better than TB and it isn’t close. Good rim protector which is the primary function of a center.

I don't think he's a great rim protector. Even in his Atlanta days. He may have blocked some shots, but the guy was terrible in drop. Maybe I was watching the wrong games, but he was always getting torched and had no physical presence inside. TB was at least competent on one end of the floor. I think Dedmon is terrible at both.

 

[framer]

I don't think he's a great rim protector. Even in his Atlanta days. He may have blocked some shots, but the guy was terrible in drop. Maybe I was watching the wrong games, but he was always getting torched and had no physical presence inside. TB was at least competent on one end of the floor. I think Dedmon is terrible at both.

He was kinda special two years ago when he was uper thirty percent shooting the three. He fell off a cliff when he turned 30 and averaged 4 fouls over his 26 minutes. which tells me his defensive footwork has slowed down to a crawl and he is shooting closer to 20% from 3. he shot 40% from the field as a center. . .

Current Dewayne Deadmon isn't some sort of answer for any question the Jazz have.

 

[footawn]

You all act like Conley for OPJ would be a done deal if only Utah would offer it. In what world do the Bulls want an aging PG in exchange for a player of potential and value like OPJ? According to spotrac, Chicago already has $65MM+ cap space opening up for next year and beyond.

 

[NUMBERICA]

You all act like Conley for OPJ would be a done deal if only Utah would offer it. In what world do the Bulls want an aging PG in exchange for a player of potential and value like OPJ? According to spotrac, Chicago already has $65MM+ cap space opening up for next year and beyond.

Because OPJ is overpaid and chronically injured while Chicago is also thin at PG.

Even if OPJ can’t play, he causes less negative disruption to the Jazz than does Conley whose insistence on starting (and ****ing up our lineups in a serious way as a consequence) and the absurdity of his salary has caused a cascade of damage that will take several years to dig out of.

 

[stitches]

Problem is we are at 1.8-1.9M over and this saves us a maximum of like 1.5M I think.

I like the thinking but only way I see it happening is a trade. It would also make some sense if there was another signing... like we wanted to use BAE but were concerned it gets us too close to the hard cap.

Has Azubuike signed his contract yet? Teams have some leeway about how much money they give rookie contracts - between 80% and 120% of the official rookie scale. They usually give them the full 120% to be on the good side of agents and the player. BUT... is it possible the Jazz agreed to take Azubuike in the 1st(much higher than most projected him) and in return there was understanding with him and the agent that he will get the 80% rookie scale? This might save the team some 400-500K...

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Because OPJ is overpaid and chronically injured

Then why the hell do we want him then? If this is the case and he has more years, I have no idea how many years are left, but if he’s not playable and has multiple years remaining, I’d rather have Conley.

Even if OPJ can’t play, he causes less negative disruption to the Jazz than does Conley whose insistence on starting (and ****ing up our lineups in a serious way

This feels like a serious overstatement. It’s possible we aren’t as good with him in the lineup, but I don’t recall him being a distraction and I’ve never heard him say anything like he’s a starter regardless or anything like that. He’s certainly not a locker room cancer. I’ve even heard him say he’d play where ever he’s needed. I think it’s more a coach and management wanting him to start and I’m pretty sure his teammates love him. So I’m not sure where your getting this team disruption thing from unless your implying he’s not good at basketball. I’m not sure.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Honestly I’m not sure how bad Conley is for this lineup, I know the numbers aren’t good, but how much of that is the bad start he got off to, and learning a new system. It’s not like Quin’s system is simple or anything but he did start to shoot better and play better overall before the league shut down and he was really good in the bubble.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Then why the hell do we want him then? If this is the case and he has more years, I have no idea how many years are left, but if he’s not playable and has multiple years remaining, I’d rather have Conley.

OPJ is expiring and costs about $6 million less. And IF he plays, he provides a lot more of the things we need than does Conley.

And nothing in your second quote addresses my points. Specifically, that Conley downsizes our lineups 1-4 on BOTH sides of the ball (where Donovan takes the biggest hit), has poor chemistry with Gobert and Ingles, will cost the Jazz three 1sts, AND cost the Jazz the ability to trade one in-season until next year at the earliest. Additionally, since he is the highest paid player on the team by a wide margin and isn’t even in our best lineup, his salary has outsize impact in forcing the Jazz to trade FOUR 2nds in a desperate attempt to stay under the tax. It is no stretch whatsoever to say that acquiring him will hurt the Jazz for years to come.

He can still be a good basketball player and person. He is just a terrible fit here.

 

[GVC]

Has Azubuike signed his contract yet? Teams have some leeway about how much money they give rookie contracts - between 80% and 120% of the official rookie scale. They usually give them the full 120% to be on the good side of agents and the player. BUT... is it possible the Jazz agreed to take Azubuike in the 1st(much higher than most projected him) and in return there was understanding with him and the agent that he will get the 80% rookie scale? This might save the team some 400-500K...

The question is whether they can get under the LT by replacing their last 4 players (Oni, Morgan, Niang, NWG) with rookies on minimum contracts. They can under certain, seemingly reasonable assumptions.

Per Capulator (plus assumptions in bold):

Conley: $34,502,130
Gobert: $26,525,281
Bogdanovic: $17,850,000
Clarkson: $11,600,000 (lowest possible salary to get to $52 million with 8% raises)
Ingles: $10,863,637
Favors: $9,924,000 (full MLE)
O'Neale: $8,500,000
Mitchell: $5,195,501
Azubuike $2,119,320 (100% scale for 27th pick)
Hughes: $898,310 (rookie minimum)

Total: $127,978,179
LT: $132,627,000

Rookie minimum: $898,310

Space under LT (10 players): $4,648,821
Rookie minimum x 4 players: $3,593,240
Space remaining under LT: $1,055,581


Edit (not reflected above):
Just seeing that some have Favors' contract at about $9.26 million this year (an amount that makes sense).

That would give the Jazz about $1.7 million in wiggle room, which should be more than sufficient to keep two of Oni/Morgan/Niang/NWG + 2 rookie minimum contracts.

 

[Troat Guru]

Honestly I’m not sure how bad Conley is for this lineup, I know the numbers aren’t good, but how much of that is the bad start he got off to, and learning a new system. It’s not like Quin’s system is simple or anything but he did start to shoot better and play better overall before the league shut down and he was really good in the bubble.

Agreed and with the addition of Favs he should fit better than last year IMO.
Despite all his flaws we have to be aware that, as a player, he's not as trash as we often draw him.
To be clear, I did not mean to say that Mike should be our hero, quite the opposite; I only believe/hope he will play and fit far better this year.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Has Azubuike signed his contract yet? Teams have some leeway about how much money they give rookie contracts - between 80% and 120% of the official rookie scale. They usually give them the full 120% to be on the good side of agents and the player. BUT... is it possible the Jazz agreed to take Azubuike in the 1st(much higher than most projected him) and in return there was understanding with him and the agent that he will get the 80% rookie scale? This might save the team some 400-500K...

Maybe? Stranger things have happened.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The question is whether they can get under the LT by replacing their last 4 players (Oni, Morgan, Niang, NWG) with rookies on minimum contracts. They can under certain, seemingly reasonable assumptions.

Per Capulator (plus assumptions in bold):

Conley: $34,502,130
Gobert: $26,525,281
Bogdanovic: $17,850,000
Clarkson: $11,600,000 (lowest possible salary to get to $52 million with 8% raises)
Ingles: $10,863,637
Favors: $9,924,000 (full MLE)
O'Neale: $8,500,000
Mitchell: $5,195,501
Azubuike $2,119,320 (100% scale for 27th pick)
Hughes: $898,310 (rookie minimum)

Total: $127,978,179
LT: $132,627,000

Rookie minimum: $898,310

Space under LT (10 players): $4,648,821
Rookie minimum x 4 players: $3,593,240
Space remaining under LT: $1,055,581


Edit (not reflected above):
Just seeing that some have Favors' contract at about $9.26 million this year (an amount that makes sense).

That would give the Jazz about $1.7 million in wiggle room, which should be more than sufficient to keep two of Oni/Morgan/Niang/NWG + 2 rookie minimum contracts.

I think the rookie minimums count the same as a vet minimum unless the player was drafted. That’s why Milwaukee traded for the 60 th pick. The rule is in place to make sure teams don’t bypass vets for cap mechanics. So I don’t think we can do that dance unless we trade for guys that were drafted this year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The question is whether they can get under the LT by replacing their last 4 players (Oni, Morgan, Niang, NWG) with rookies on minimum contracts. They can under certain, seemingly reasonable assumptions.

Per Capulator (plus assumptions in bold):

Conley: $34,502,130
Gobert: $26,525,281
Bogdanovic: $17,850,000
Clarkson: $11,600,000 (lowest possible salary to get to $52 million with 8% raises)
Ingles: $10,863,637
Favors: $9,924,000 (full MLE)
O'Neale: $8,500,000
Mitchell: $5,195,501
Azubuike $2,119,320 (100% scale for 27th pick)
Hughes: $898,310 (rookie minimum)

Total: $127,978,179
LT: $132,627,000

Rookie minimum: $898,310

Space under LT (10 players): $4,648,821
Rookie minimum x 4 players: $3,593,240
Space remaining under LT: $1,055,581


Edit (not reflected above):
Just seeing that some have Favors' contract at about $9.26 million this year (an amount that makes sense).

That would give the Jazz about $1.7 million in wiggle room, which should be more than sufficient to keep two of Oni/Morgan/Niang/NWG + 2 rookie minimum contracts.

 

[GVC]

I think the rookie minimums count the same as a vet minimum unless the player was drafted. That’s why Milwaukee traded for the 60 th pick. The rule is in place to make sure teams don’t bypass vets for cap mechanics. So I don’t think we can do that dance unless we trade for guys that were drafted this year.

I don't think that's right. I believe it's the other way around: with 3+ year vets counting against the cap the same as a 2-year vet.

Per Larry Coon's FAQ (LINK):

When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, 10-day or Rest-of-Season contract at the minimum salary, the league reimburses the team for part of his salary -- any amount above the minimum salary for a two-year veteran. For example, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran in 2017-18 is $1,471,382, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $2,328,652, the league would reimburse the team $857,270. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans.

Not sure why he used 2017-18 as an example, but the rule still applies. Rookies on minimum contracts should count as $898,310 against the cap.

So the Jazz may be able to keep one or two of Oni/Morgan/Niang/NWG, replace the others with rookies on minimum contracts, and stay under the LT.

 

[GVC]

Not aware of this rule; strange. Could this guy (Dan Clayton) just be wrong? Larry Coon is usually pretty good.

If this is the rule, could the Jazz trade a couple of their guys making more than the minimum for other teams' drafted players on the rookie minimum to avoid the tax? Do they have any more 2nd round picks to throw away?