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Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

SaltyDawg said:
Plenty of times. I haven't been high in many years, but I have friends that get high every day.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure if half the NBA can play NBA basketball when high, most people could probably walk a straight line.
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So, in short, two of the biggest pot heads on the board are liars or not really smoking weed. Got it. Hell, if Oakley says it, it MUST be true. Go Utes!
 
TroutBum said:
So, in short, two of the biggest pot heads on the board are liars or not really smoking weed. Got it. Hell, if Oakley says it, it MUST be true. Go Utes!
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I have no reason to doubt what Oakley said is true. Plenty of NBA players have been caught with weed.

And I wouldn't say it's 2 of the biggest pot heads on the board. I'd say GVC is a pot head, but you obviously aren't. You say you don't even smoke weed anymore, so you aren't a pot head. And yes, I do wonder what you used to smoke if you had wild hallucinations and couldn't walk a straight line. That sure isn't typical from weed, that's for sure.
 
squareinthecircle said:
I know this has already been touched on but this quote has been running around in my mind whenever I see this thread.


"In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
Martin Luther King Jr
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geez, whenever I see this thread, what keeps running through my mind is that song by Afroman "Because I got high..."


guess I need to elevate my thinking a bit :-)


and much of this thread sounds like the type of discussion that Harold and Kumar might have
 
SaltyDawg said:
I have no reason to doubt what Oakley said is true. Plenty of NBA players have been caught with weed.
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So, you've never met the guy. You have no idea how many NBA players smoke pot. You have no idea how many NBA players smoke pot right before a game. You have no idea if Oakley was telling the truth, was spinning it to look cool in front of his homies (for you, CJ), or if it was pure fact. In short, you have no idea. Solid argument, and definitely something to hang your hat/assertions on.

And I wouldn't say it's 2 of the biggest pot heads on the board. I'd say GVC is a pot head, but you obviously aren't. You say you don't even smoke weed anymore, so you aren't a pot head. And yes, I do wonder what you used to smoke if you had wild hallucinations and couldn't walk a straight line. That sure isn't typical from weed, that's for sure.
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But I was, and that's what makes my opinion valid. And besides that, as far as I can tell, you're the only one here who has said the following:
SaltyWoog said:
Marijuana has roughly the same impairment as coffee, but in the opposite way. Coffee wires you up, marijuana calms you down. Neither is anything like alcohol, and neither impairs the ability to drive.
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To sum up: You think weed doesn't impair driving. Not one person has agreed with you. You think that it has roughly the same impairment as coffee. Not one person has agreed with you. You think that weed can't cause hallucinations. Not one person has agreed with you. You think that weed can not mess you up to the point that you can't walk a straight line/pass a road sobriety test. Not one person agreed with you. You thought Utah was going to the Rose Bowl this year. Not one person agreed with you.

On the flip side: I think weed impairs your driving. Everyone agrees. (except you) The assertion that weed has roughly the same impairment as coffee is so blatantly stupid, it's hard to take you serious. Everyone agrees. (except you) I have had many, many, many hallucinations while ripped on weed. Googling, "Does weed cause hallucinations?" will give you, "About 681,000 results (0.19 seconds)", most of which show that everyone agrees. (except you) I think that when you are ripped it can be difficult, if not impossible, to walk a straight line. Everyone agrees. (except you) I knew Utah sucked even before the season started and had no chance at the Rose Bowl. Everyone agrees. (except you)

Anyhow, this is getting to the point that I am starting to feel bad for picking on the retard, so I'll call it a thread.

Carry on.
 
TroutBum said:
So, you've never met the guy. You have no idea how many NBA players smoke pot. You have no idea how many NBA players smoke pot right before a game. You have no idea if Oakley was telling the truth, was spinning it to look cool in front of his homies (for you, CJ), or if it was pure fact. In short, you have no idea. Solid argument, and definitely something to hang your hat/assertions on.



But I was, and that's what makes my opinion valid. And besides that, as far as I can tell, you're the only one here who has said the following:


To sum up: You think weed doesn't impair driving. Not one person has agreed with you. You think that it has roughly the same impairment as coffee. Not one person has agreed with you. You think that weed can't cause hallucinations. Not one person has agreed with you. You think that weed can not mess you up to the point that you can't walk a straight line/pass a road sobriety test. Not one person agreed with you. You thought Utah was going to the Rose Bowl this year. Not one person agreed with you.

On the flip side: I think weed impairs your driving. Everyone agrees. (except you) The assertion that weed has roughly the same impairment as coffee is so blatantly stupid, it's hard to take you serious. Everyone agrees. (except you) I have had many, many, many hallucinations while ripped on weed. Googling, "Does weed cause hallucinations?" will give you, "About 681,000 results (0.19 seconds)", most of which show that everyone agrees. (except you) I think that when you are ripped it can be difficult, if not impossible, to walk a straight line. Everyone agrees. (except you) I knew Utah sucked even before the season started and had no chance at the Rose Bowl. Everyone agrees. (except you)

Anyhow, this is getting to the point that I am starting to feel bad for picking on the retard, so I'll call it a thread.

Carry on.
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1: Can you give me a reason that I shouldn't believe Oakley? The dude was in the NBA, knows first hand what NBA players are doing, and assaulted a player on a practice court for owing him money for marijuana. Plus many NBA players have been busted with weed, and to my knowledge no players ever disagreed with what Oakley said. I have played basketball high many, many times myself so I know it's not a stretch. Go to Liberty or Sugarhouse park on any given weekend and you'll see plenty of people getting high and playing basketball. Maybe I'll even introduce you to a few of them, give you some real cred, not the fake cred you get on this board. This is a stupid point for you to argue.

2: I may be the only one who said weed is like coffee but the opposite, but you're the only one who said it gives you wild hallucinations or makes you stagger like you're drunk (can't walk a straight line). Drink about 10 cups of coffee and see how it makes you feel.

3: You are just flat out lying. You say not 1 person agreed with me? Well the only person I saw comment on your claims of wild hallucinations said he thought you were lying (he said it seems like a bogus claim because weed doesn't cause hallucinations). Nobody agreed with you. I did google weed causing hallucinations. I saw a bunch of threads on message boards where some loser claimed he had a hallucination, and about 100 people said he was full of it. Then someone else would chime in with the "eyes closed and see a lightshow" description (which isn't a wild hallucination). Not one person agreed with you on your "staggering like a drunk when high" (not able to walk a straight line) claim. In fact, the only person I saw post about it (beside's GVC, whom I am pretty sure was just making a general joke and not agreeing with you) said that field sobriety tests would be super easy to pass while high. And I never said I thought Utah would be in the Rose Bowl. I did say they would beat BYU though, and put my money where my mouth was.

I'm calling you out. I think you're lying about this because you think it makes you cool or something. Everyone who has ever smoked weed knows weed doesn't make you stagger around like you're drunk. Nobody should doubt Oakley's claim that many NBA players are high during games. Even if you do doubt it, it's documented that this was happening in the 70's and 80's. And if there is still any doubt, you can go to any inner city park on any given weekend and see plenty of people doing it for yourself. Common sense would tell even the biggest of morons that if you can play NBA (or even park) basketball, you can probably walk a 10 foot straight line. And you're probably not having wild hallucinations either.
 
According to the original article posted somewhere here by Carl Sagan, that guy had some wild hallucinations. I guess you would have to say Carl Sagan agrees with Trout. Kinda trumps most anyone around here since that article was posited as being proof positive that marijuana is the end-all be-all of existence by the pot-heads. I sure want people driving who think colors have come to life and **** like that. Sounds EXACTLY like what every single person who has binged on coffee to stay awake to study for finals has experienced, except of course the opposite.
 
LogGrad98 said:
According to the original article posted somewhere here by Carl Sagan, that guy had some wild hallucinations. I guess you would have to say Carl Sagan agrees with Trout. Kinda trumps most anyone around here since that article was posited as being proof positive that marijuana is the end-all be-all of existence by the pot-heads. I sure want people driving who think colors have come to life and **** like that. Sounds EXACTLY like what every single person who has binged on coffee to stay awake to study for finals has experienced, except of course the opposite.
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Marijuana doesn't make you think colors have come to life, lol. That is complete and utter BS. If Carl Sagan said that (I haven't read the article, I'll have to look for it), it was either a metaphor, hyperbole, or his pot was laced with something else.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Marijuana doesn't make you think colors have come to life, lol. That is complete and utter BS. If Carl Sagan said that (I haven't read the article, I'll have to look for it), it was either a metaphor, hyperbole, or his pot was laced with something else.
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Do you really think that mind-altering chemicals affect every single person in EXACTLY the same way? Wow you really do stretch to win the argument, at the expense of real thought.


Oh and I love watching you dismiss his essay without reading it. You completely undermine the argument of all the pot heads about it. Maybe you ought to read first, then pontificate later.
 
Here are a bunch of pot heads that disagree with you about hallucinations:

https://forum.grasscity.com/pandoras-box/218180-marijuana-visual-hallucinations.html

when I'm really baked, and listening to some good music with my eyes closed, sometimes I'll see lights and colors like the iTunes visualizer.
If you have the visualizer on in front of you, watch it, then close your eyes, it gets really trippy
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One of my first times smoking I saw a line of green translucent gnomes doing river dance. It cracked me up pretty good.

Other than that, I can 'hallucinate' by looking at things like moving clouds in the sky, or tree branches in the wind. My mind likes to make shapes and images out of it. Sometimes it 'transports me' into a real hallucination, but I usually have trouble keeping focus.

I have read that some people are capable of putting themselves into a trance and actually doing like a lucid dream, by looking into a crystal ball, or light reflecting on a sheet of water. my guess is that it's pretty similar.
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LogGrad98 said:
Do you really think that mind-altering chemicals affect every single person in EXACTLY the same way? Wow you really do stretch to win the argument, at the expense of real thought.


Oh and I love watching you dismiss his essay without reading it. You completely undermine the argument of all the pot heads about it. Maybe you ought to read first, then pontificate later.
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I don't think mind altering chemicals affect everyone EXACTLY the same way, but I think it's going to be pretty close. And there is a limit to the variances. After that limit, then yes, it affects everyone the same after that point.

I am not undermining his essay. I'm just saying if he really said it makes people think colors have come alive, then it is either being taken out of context or he is wrong. It flat out doesn't do that. Nobody is going to be seeing red lights dancing around and talking form smoking weed.
 
Ready my post above yours. You can go argue with all those pot heads about how they are all wrong.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Here are a bunch of pot heads that disagree with you about hallucinations:

https://forum.grasscity.com/pandoras-box/218180-marijuana-visual-hallucinations.html
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They don't disagree with me at all. I was clear that closing your eyes and seeing a lightshow is not a wild hallucination. Most people don't drive with their eyes closed, so that obviously won't impair driving.

I consider a wild hallucination to be with your eyes open, seeing something that isn't really there. That simply doesn't happen with marijuana and those people seeing lights with their eyes closed are not disagreeing with that.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I'm just saying if he really said it makes people think colors have come alive, then it is either being taken out of context or he is wrong. It flat out doesn't do that.
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SaltyDawg said:
They don't disagree with me at all. I was clear that closing your eyes and seeing a lightshow is not a wild hallucination. Most people don't drive with their eyes closed, so that obviously won't impair driving.

I consider a wild hallucination to be with your eyes open, seeing something that isn't really there. That simply doesn't happen with marijuana and those people seeing lights with their eyes closed are not disagreeing with that.
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SaltyDawg said:
And read my post. All those pot head actually agree with me.
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One of my first times smoking I saw a line of green translucent gnomes doing river dance. It cracked me up pretty good.
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Yeah, catching a glimpse of dancing gnomes won't distract you from driving. Gotcha.
 
LogGrad98 said:
According to the original article posted somewhere here by Carl Sagan, that guy had some wild hallucinations. I guess you would have to say Carl Sagan agrees with Trout. Kinda trumps most anyone around here since that article was posited as being proof positive that marijuana is the end-all be-all of existence by the pot-heads. I sure want people driving who think colors have come to life and **** like that. Sounds EXACTLY like what every single person who has binged on coffee to stay awake to study for finals has experienced, except of course the opposite.
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That's not why it was posted. I posted the article mostly for Colton for various reasons. Yes, part of that was to show that very serious, scientific minds have found cannabis to be a positive influence in their lives, but I don't consider this appeal to authority to be particularly slimy. It's much easier to dismiss my experience as the ramblings of some strange, reclusive n'er-do-well. If you've spent any time arguing on message boards, you know that when all else fails, most people will try to insult, misrepresent or otherwise discredit the person they're arguing with. Thanks for a perfect example of this phenomenon.

With all that said, I don't consider my experience under the influence of cannabis to be particularly hallucinogenic. I also don't think I'd have much trouble walking a straight line. Roadside sobriety tests, however, don't have to just be a test to see if someone can walk a straight line, and could potentially be designed to test specifically for cannabis impairment (I don't know what the specifics would be). The whole discussion about walking a straight line seemed pretty stupid to me from the get go.
 
LogGrad98 said:
https://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_marijuana_cause_hallucinations

https://www.marijuana.com/places-people/44176-hallucinations.html

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8568430 (caution strong language)

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071108124054AAiojnJ

Wow look at all these people that are so full of BS about their personal experiences with weed. You better go straighten them all out.
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I wonder how many of them have done drugs that actually do cause hallucinations like shrooms or acid. Like several people posted in the first thread you linked, they get flashbacks from those drugs sometimes (acid stays in your body for life). It's also possible that someone smoked some weed that was laced (which is pretty common these days at it makes the weed seem like it's better quality and thus more valuable).

It doesn't change the fact that marijuana does not cause wild hallucinations. And I never disputed the "light show with your eyes closed" claims. I said those weren't wild hallucinations, not that they never happen.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I wonder how many of them have done drugs that actually do cause hallucinations like shrooms or acid. Like several people posted in the first thread you linked, they get flashbacks from those drugs sometimes (acid stays in your body for life). It's also possible that someone smoked some weed that was laced (which is pretty common these days at it makes the weed seem like it's better quality and thus more valuable).

It doesn't change the fact that marijuana does not cause wild hallucinations. And I never disputed the "light show with your eyes closed" claims. I said those weren't wild hallucinations, not that they never happen.
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Evidence doesn't change the facts. Gotcha. Are you beginning to see why people do not take you seriously?
 
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