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Marijuana: Facts, Myths, and plain old Stupidity.

So the guy that Salty is quoting above, CyroneTorbin, claims that you can't hallucinate while high. Meh, that's fine. It's the fact that Salt regards anything Torbin says as absolute fact that rubs me raw. I wonder how Salty would feel about Torbins take on impairment:

I drive my car high all the time. Does it impair me? Too a very small degree, and that depends on what/how much I've smoked. The one major problem I have is when I'm super high sometimes my eyes get a tad dry. I always have contact solution on hand though, so I just pull over and moisten up. Do I think it should be illegal to drive high on weed? Probably. Weed effects everyone differently, so some people may have major problems driving while stoned.
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TroutBum said:
So the guy that Salty is quoting above, CyroneTorbin, claims that you can't hallucinate while high. Meh, that's fine. It's the fact that Salt regards anything Torbin says as absolute fact that rubs me raw. I wonder how Salty would feel about Torbins take on impairment:
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What, you mean him saying he drives high all the time with no problems?

I thought you said not one person agreed with me on the hallucinating and impairment points?
 
SaltyDawg said:
First off, I disagree with anyone claiming they are having "epic hallucinations" from smoking weed. They may very well be having hallucinations, but it is likely due to either the weed being laced or flashbacks from other drugs that actually cause hallucinations (as several people in those threads said). Or they may just be flat out lying. That also happens. If people do drugs because they think it will make them cool, you better believe people also lie about it because they think it will make them cool.

Second, I posted links to some studies that said moderate to heavy doses of marijuana 1: did not cause any impairment in driving that could be detected by police officers and driving instructors, and 2: was similar to someone driving after drinking very little (still well under the legal limit). The study would not have come to this conclusion if people were experiencing Alice in Wonderland after smoking weed. This is actual "evidence" and not just some clown trying to be cool with stories of being higher than everyone else. And again, I am not disputing stories of closing your eyes and seeing a lightshow and things like that. I am saying those are not "epic hallucinations" and would not impair driving either.

Also, "fellow potheads" (your term, not mine) absolutely did too agree with me. see these quotes:
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Torbin said:
Your claim to "awesome hallucinations" does make you sound pretty bogus. Marijuana doesn't make you hallucinate.
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Torbin said:
I interpret "awesome hallucinations" as full on hallucinations. As in, you can literally see something in full. I guess people could interpret blurred vision, paranoia affects, and closed eyed pattern effects (close your eyes and seeing tie-dye type patterns) as "hallucinations", but I wouldn't.
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Also, just to make sure that facts are not being thrown out for made up bull crap, let me quote myself:

Me said:
Not only have I personally had some ridiculously awesome hallucinations while high, but according to wiki (ya, ya): "At higher doses, effects can include altered body image, auditory and/or visual illusions, pseudo-hallucinatory or (rarely, at very high doses) fully hallucinatory experiences." and The American Council for Drug Education calls it, "A mild hallucinogen". Maybe it didn't or doesn't for you, but it most certainly does for a vast majority of users.
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This is the second time in this thread that I have been quoted as saying something that I never said. We all know you're full of crap anyway, but why make it worse by making things up in order to bolster your argument?
 
SaltyDawg said:
What, you mean him saying he drives high all the time with no problems?

I thought you said not one person agreed with me on the hallucinating and impairment points?
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This is either the greatest troll of all time (and I've fallen for it), or you really are that stupid.

On Impairment: (if this looks familiar, it's because it was quoted in the post that you just replied to)
CyroneTorbin said:
Does it impair me? Too a very small degree, and that depends on what/how much I've smoked.
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On Hallucinating: How about that, you did have someone that agreed with you. The rest of us are liars.
 
TroutBum said:
Also, just to make sure that facts are not being thrown out for made up bull crap, let me quote myself:



This is the second time in this thread that I have been quoted as saying something that I never said. We all know you're full of crap anyway, but why make it worse by making things up in order to bolster your argument?
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Excuse me, I said "epic hallucinations" when what you really said was "ridiculously awesome hallucinations." Not sure what the big difference is there, but whatever.
 
TroutBum said:
This is either the greatest troll of all time (and I've fallen for it), or you really are that stupid.

On Impairment: (if this looks familiar, it's because it was quoted in the post that you just replied to)


On Hallucinating: How about that, you did have someone that agreed with you. The rest of us are liars.
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You say this and then I'M really that stupid?

lol, the dude said he drives with no problems whatsoever. If you're talking about the "very small degree" of impairment, I have never disputed this. Remember, it was me who posted the study that found the impairment level was similar to someone who had been drinking but was still well below the legal limit (0.05% BAC to be exact). His "very small degree" of impairment is not enough to make illegal, and that has been my argument from the start.

You're really reaching here man. First you argue that weed doesn't make you tired, claiming it actually wires you up. Next you're arguing that people won't even be able to get up off the couch. Then you're playing semantics with "epic" and "ridiculously awesome" like it somehow means I'm wrong for using one instead of the other (as if they mean something totally different, lol). You also claimed that "not one person" agreed with me, when the reality was pretty much all the pot smokers agreed with me. And now you're pointing out that someone who drives with no problems has a "very small degree" of impairment, like that somehow goes against everything I have been saying here.

lol, trout, take a breather. You're totally not yourself the last few days in this thread.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Excuse me, I said "epic hallucinations" when what you really said was "ridiculously awesome hallucinations." Not sure what the big difference is there, but whatever.
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On the surface? Nothing. They mean the same thing. It's the fact that you take my words, change them around, and put them in quotations as if it's exactly what I said. It's just one of the many bull crap tendencies that you have; anything to win an argument. And to repeat, this is the second time in this thread that you've done it.
 
TroutBum said:
On the surface? Nothing. They mean the same thing. It's the fact that you take my words, change them around, and put them in quotations as if it's exactly what I said. It's just one of the many bull crap tendencies that you have; anything to win an argument. And to repeat, this is the second time in this thread that you've done it.
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So I changed everything around to win an argument- by posting something that means the exact same thing as what you said???

lol, whatever man. Feel free to substitute "ridiculously awesome" everywhere I said "epic." Does it change anything? No. Just one of your sideshows. Your argument is still weak whether I claim you said "epic" or the "ridiculously awesome" that you actually did say. My bad for not digging through the almost 60 pages between 2 threads to find the actual quote. But props to me for posting something that meant the same exact thing anyway.
 
My argument is weak? Thousands and thousands of reports by pot smokers and practically every website that has to do with marijuana beg to differ. On the flip side, ONE person on this site agrees with you. But hey, those people are probably smoking something that is laced or are probably suffering the effects of other drugs. Or they're just lying (like me) because drug use is soooo cool!
 
TroutBum said:
My argument is weak? Thousands and thousands of reports by pot smokers and practically every website that has to do with marijuana beg to differ. On the flip side, ONE person on this site agrees with you. But hey, those people are probably smoking something that is laced or are probably suffering the effects of other drugs. Or they're just lying (like me) because drug use is soooo cool!
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There are not "thousands and thousands" of reports by pot smokers begging to differ. If you read any of those thousands and thousands of links, they are mostly message boards like this. And there will be one post with someone saying they had a hallucination, and 100 replies saying it was probably an acid flashback or weed that was laced.

It's not ONE person agreeing with me. GVC agreed too. So did Agoxlea. Good thing you didn't bet every nickle you have like you said (or whatever the exact wording was, mr semantics).
 
SaltyDawg said:
There are not "thousands and thousands" of reports by pot smokers begging to differ. If you read any of those thousands and thousands of links, they are mostly message boards like this. And there will be one post with someone saying they had a hallucination, and 100 replies saying it was probably an acid flashback or weed that was laced.

It's not ONE person agreeing with me. GVC agreed too. So did Agoxlea. Good thing you didn't bet every nickle you have like you said (or whatever the exact wording was, mr semantics).
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You didn't read very far then. My kids and I read one thread to the end, a good 20 pages or so. The vast majority of it was people having similar experiences or people saying, in effect "well I never hallucinated, but I did see things" etc., with a sparse few claiming they did not think it happened but didn't deny it could. In not one single thread did I find "hundreds" of replies to posts about hallucinations outright refuting the claim of hallucination. Some did mention they thought it was most likely laced or something, but plenty of others attested to the purity of their strain, the fact that they did not use other drugs, but that they still hallucinated. In this thread Nate pointed out that he had hallucinated and therefore was careful not to imbibe so heavily that he caused it again. Please point out the thread with hundreds of refutations to each claim of hallucination.

Personally I love your claim that you can't trust what the druggies say because they are trying to sound cool. So can we trust what the drug users here in this thread are saying? How do we know the rest of you aren't trying to sound cool? So you, and you alone, among drug users are telling the truth, the rest aren't? Interesting.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You didn't read very far then. My kids and I read one thread to the end, a good 20 pages or so. The vast majority of it was people having similar experiences or people saying, in effect "well I never hallucinated, but I did see things" etc., with a sparse few claiming they did not think it happened but didn't deny it could. In not one single thread did I find "hundreds" of replies to posts about hallucinations outright refuting the claim of hallucination. Some did mention they thought it was most likely laced or something, but plenty of others attested to the purity of their strain, the fact that they did not use other drugs, but that they still hallucinated. In this thread Nate pointed out that he had hallucinated and therefore was careful not to imbibe so heavily that he caused it again. Please point out the thread with hundreds of refutations to each claim of hallucination.

Personally I love your claim that you can't trust what the druggies say because they are trying to sound cool. So can we trust what the drug users here in this thread are saying? How do we know the rest of you aren't trying to sound cool? So you, and you alone, among drug users are telling the truth, the rest aren't? Interesting.
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No, I am not saying to trust me and me alone. I am saying I posted a study that equated moderate to heavy doses of marijuana as being equal to drinking enough to be at 0.05% BAC (well below the legal limit) and just fine to drive (with police and driving instructors unable to detect any impairment).

Are you suggesting that someone well below the legal alcohol limit is experiencing Alice in Wonderland? Are you saying police and driving instructors couldn't detect impairment in people that were living Alice in Wonderland?

If you're still talking about "closing eyes and seeing a lightshow" then I agree, as I have said many times, that is possible and some people refer to that as a hallucination. Nobody in their right mind would refer to it as an epic hallucination though (excuse me, a ridiculously awesome hallucination). And it certainly doesn't impair your driving either, so not sure how it fits into this discussion. Well, other than to play on words and distract from the real discussion.

Nate said he could get hallucinations only when he had smoked so much that he wouldn't be capable of operating a vehicle anyway. I take that to mean he couldn't get up off the couch. And that is also out of the scope of discussion here. I have said all along that you can be pretty impaired but you won't be able to go do anything when you hit that level. And also, I'm pretty sure (without going back and digging for his post) that Nate said he had seen Carl Sagan colors and such (which GVC also said and I agreed with), not Alice in Wonderland "ridiculously awesome hallucinations." Thinking purple looks a lot nicer than it did yesterday is not a hallucination in my book. Maybe it "technically" is, but I certainly wouldn't say it's a danger when driving or call it a "ridiculously awesome hallucination."

As for your thread disputing it:
https://www.marijuana.com/surveys-polls-questions/151273-can-marijauna-cause-hallucinations.html

Note one of the responses:
"I've had the same thing after too much caffiene, hallucinations are different."

lol, classic. I guess I'm not the only one that said it was like too much coffee, but in reverse.

Another link:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarijuanaIsLSD
 
https://marijuana-uses.com/mr-x/

I suddenly realized that I was examining an intricately detailed miniature Volkswagen, distinctly outlined by the shadows. I was very skeptical at this perception, and tried to find inconsistencies between Volkswagens and what I viewed on the ceiling. But it was all there, down to hubcaps, license plate, chrome, and even the small handle used for opening the trunk. When I closed my eyes, I was stunned to find that there was a movie going on the inside of my eyelids. Flash . . . a simple country scene with red farmhouse, a blue sky, white clouds, yellow path meandering over green hills to the horizon. . . Flash . . . same scene, orange house, brown sky, red clouds, yellow path, violet fields . . . Flash . . . Flash . . . Flash. The flashes came about once a heartbeat. Each flash brought the same simple scene into view, but each time with a different set of colors . . . exquisitely deep hues, and astonishingly harmonious in their juxtaposition. Since then I have smoked occasionally and enjoyed it thoroughly. It amplifies torpid sensibilities and produces what to me are even more interesting effects, as I will explain shortly.

I can remember another early visual experience with cannabis, in which I viewed a candle flame and discovered in the heart of the flame, standing with magnificent indifference, the black-hatted and -cloaked Spanish gentleman who appears on the label of the Sandeman sherry bottle.
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So is this guy total BS that he hallucinated as he describes? Decide before you click on the link.
 
LogGrad98 said:
https://marijuana-uses.com/mr-x/



So is this guy total BS that he hallucinated as he describes? Decide before you click on the link.
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My guess is he had probably done a lot of acid and the weed triggered an acid flashback. Either that or the weed was laced.

I guess it could be weed alone, but I would need more context in order to wager a guess.

Did he see a shadow and think it resembled a Volkswagon? People do that stone cold sober. I wouldn't call that an awesome hallucination.

Or did he not know it was a shadow and think he was looking at a real Volkswagon? I would say that is an awesome hallucination. And if that's the case (which I doubt) then he probably did a lot of acid in the past and was having a flashback.

As for the light show with eyes closed, I never disputed that, only disputed that it should be called an awesome hallucination or that it impairs driving.
 
Marijuana is cool, the fact that it is illegal seems stupid, but it makes no sense to drive after smoking it, regardless if its supposedly a minor or a major effect. The debate as to whether its safe to drive while under the influence or not seems quite foolish to me; if you're unsure of its effects, then don't do it. People ****ing crash their cars enough these days as it is. Is there really much more that needs to be said in this thread? This all coming from a person who has never smoked anything, so take my assertions with a grain of salt I guess. I know a lot of you cannabis-enthusiasts would love Alberta though, stuff is dirt cheap (and apparently high quality)
 
dalamon said:
Marijuana is cool, the fact that it is illegal seems stupid, but it makes no sense to drive after smoking it, regardless if its supposedly a minor or a major effect. The debate as to whether its safe to drive while under the influence or not seems quite foolish to me; if you're unsure of its effects, then don't do it. People ****ing crash their cars enough these days as it is. Is there really much more that needs to be said in this thread? This all coming from a person who has never smoked anything, so take my assertions with a grain of salt I guess. I know a lot of you cannabis-enthusiasts would love Alberta though, stuff is dirt cheap (and apparently high quality)
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Pizzas from the local pizzeria won't pick themselves up.
 
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