Jazz Offseason Plan

[Hearsky]

Lol what a stupid *** post from you. Switch Booker with Mitchell and we get swept by the Clippers this year.

But sure getting a ring means you’re the better player. ****ing clown.

So, you just gonna make **** up in your mind to support your argument? Nobody said DM isn't special. But to act like Booker isn't special is absurd and shows you don't watch him play. Get over it.

 

[Elizah Huge]

So, you just gonna make **** up in your mind to support your argument? Nobody said DM isn't special. But to act like Booker isn't special is absurd and shows you don't watch him play. Get over it.

I never said Booker wasn’t special. He’s just not on Donovan’s level.

 

[Hearsky]

I never said Booker wasn’t special. He’s just not on Donovan’s level.

He most certainly is on DM's level. Fred Van Fleet is even better than DM. Don't have a conniption.

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[oneye]

Well people are idiots. It takes time to create a reputation. Dame has a great rep from a bunch of solid seasons. But I don't see that guy taking any team anywhere. He's got a teammate who is putting up Hall of Fame numbers. He's had other weapons. His team never takes that next step.

I think Dame is a very good player, but I just don't buy the hype. If Donovan did what he has done in New York or Miami or LA, he would be a household name. Everybody would be singing his praises.

Many of you don't appreciate what Don has provided so far in his career.

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He is a household name. You’re just a blind *** kissing fanboy lol

 

[campaignist]

People can debate about whatever they want but I would love to see the argument in favor of Booker.

Mitchell has the better on/off defensive rating.

Mitchell has been one of the best if not the best player in the playoffs the last two years.

Mitchell is more efficient on more shots in the playoffs.

Oh my lord. You’d have to ask someone else who thinks Booker is better for the argument about who is better-I agree with you. Learn to read.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Oh my lord. You’d have to ask someone else who thinks Booker is better for the argument about who is better-I agree with you. Learn to read.

I’m not asking you I’m just stating it’s a hard argument to make.

 

[campaignist]

I’m not asking you I’m just stating it’s a hard argument to make.

The main argument is that he’s bigger, better on defense, and a better/more reliable shooter. Booker has gotten a lot better at shot creation, which was a weakness of his. If I remember, he has a better usage rate as well.

I really don’t feel like making an argument I don’t agree with just to prove I live in reality, so I’m tapping out.

 

[infection]

So Theis is 6’8”. I haven’t seen enough of him, other than I don’t think I’ve ever seen him miss a three against us. Can he play the 4 at all? He’d be a good option to also grab some boards next to Rudy. Also not knowledgable on his defense.

The biggest issue we have here is that we most likely won’t be able to move Favors, and as long as Favors is on the roster, Quin isn’t benching him, so we can speculate all we want about different 5 options, but between it being near impossible to move him and it be near impossible for Quin not to play him, we need to be prepared for status quo there.

 

[infection]

The biggest issue we have here is that we most likely won’t be able to move Favors, and as long as Favors is on the roster, Quin isn’t benching him, so we can speculate all we want about different 5 options, but between it being near impossible to move him and it be near impossible for Quin not to play him, we need to be prepared for status quo there.

This is actually true about a lot of our positions and problems and I’ll eventually get around to my thread that lays out some huge coaching issues.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So Theis is 6’8”. I haven’t seen enough of him, other than I don’t think I’ve ever seen him miss a three against us. Can he play the 4 at all? He’d be a good option to also grab some boards next to Rudy. Also not knowledgable on his defense.

The biggest issue we have here is that we most likely won’t be able to move Favors, and as long as Favors is on the roster, Quin isn’t benching him, so we can speculate all we want about different 5 options, but between it being near impossible to move him and it be near impossible for Quin not to play him, we need to be prepared for status quo there.

He’s good... Theis and Rudy lineups would need to be used sparingly... Theis is switchy... he can protect the rim... he does get posterized a bit but he tries. He’s not really what I’d target. We need to target big wings... in the playoffs you pretend they are centers.

 

[David Hume]

I say this every time it’s brought up, but an expiring contract is only valuable to be dumping salary you don’t want. For at least 15 years we’ve convinced ourselves that our guys will have value at the deadline, despite (I believe) having never traded an expiring player and gotten value because they were expiring.

Infection, to my mind, is kinda right here. The only one I remember trading was Favors for 2 seconds.

 

[infection]

He’s good... Theis and Rudy lineups would need to be used sparingly... Theis is switchy... he can protect the rim... he does get posterized a bit but he tries. He’s not really what I’d target. We need to target big wings... in the playoffs you pretend they are centers.

That’s alright. In the playoffs we pretended Quin was a coach.

 

[infection]

Infection, to my mind, is kinda right here. The only one I remember trading was Favors for 2 seconds.

Yeah, but even then he wasn’t being used as an expiring (i.e. you take back a longer/more problematic contract that maybe has better talent because the other team wants the expiring salary). In this case NOP didn’t even send back salary.

 

[oneye]

Another thing I’ve noticed Tony Jones mention, is to watch what front office changes happen over “the next few months and year”. He’s said this a couple times, which leads me to believe the changes coming may take some time to unfold. Not sure what exactly those changes will be as we’ve all discussed but lately it’s seemed like Tony’s been more on the side of them not being eminent. Which is weird to me, I’d rather see them done sooner than later.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, but even then he wasn’t being used as an expiring (i.e. you take back a longer/more problematic contract that maybe has better talent because the other team wants the expiring salary). In this case NOP didn’t even send back salary.

Expirings get you stuff when paired with picks or young players/prospects. We moved Rodney and Joe who were expiring for Jae one time.

expirings are the filler that makes deals possible. Can get you a guy who is on a long term deal but underperforming. Doesn’t happen often though because those deals look bad and GMs typically don’t do those deals. For example... before we decided to give away every second round pick to clear Ed Davis and TB I suggested we put them together and go get a guy who had 13M left on his deal that year and the following year... Thad young was the guy I suggested... said maybe you use him as a small ball 5 and a four next to Rudy when you need size. JazzFanz mostly scoffed... Young was used in this way and ended up having a pretty great year. But the view on an underperforming player is he’s washed or sucks.

It would require Quin to adjust a bit but giving up a few extra points when you give yourself an additional offensive advantage is okay... but pretending a guy can fill the same role as the DPOY and giving yourself no real offensive advantage is somehow way better I guess. Even if it zaps all flexibility in the playoffs.

Lolz Thad can’t plAy SenTeRz hE’s 2 sMal

 

[infection]

Expirings get you stuff when paired with picks or young players/prospects. We moved Rodney and Joe who were expiring for Jae one time.

expirings are the filler that makes deals possible. Can get you a guy who is on a long term deal but underperforming. Doesn’t happen often though because those deals look bad and GMs typically don’t do those deals. For example... before we decided to give away every second round pick to clear Ed Davis and TB I suggested we put them together and go get a guy who had 13M left on his deal that year and the following year... Thad young was the guy I suggested... said maybe you use him as a small ball 5 and a four next to Rudy when you need size. JazzFanz mostly scoffed... Young was used in this way and ended up having a pretty great year. But the view on an underperforming player is he’s washed or sucks.

It would require Quin to adjust a bit but giving up a few extra points when you give yourself an additional offensive advantage is okay... but pretending a guy can fill the same role as the DPOY and giving yourself no real offensive advantage is somehow way better I guess. Even if it zaps all flexibility in the playoffs.

Lolz Thad can’t plAy SenTeRz hE’s 2 sMal

“We need Fav to try extra hard to be Rudy and after talking to him, he sounds up to the task, so we’re good there.”

“We talked to Royce and let him know our expectation that he’ll guard the small guards, so we’re good.”

 

[Ron Mexico]

Perv.

You still coaching China’s figure skating?

Haha, no I quit to move back to beijing with my girlfriend. I'm getting my PhD and doing side work with random athletes. The Chinese Olympic teams are still on full quarantine, probably until after the Beijing winter Olympics. I might rejoin them after that, I have no interest in living like that.

 

[LoPo]

The amount of butt hurt from you is comical. Yes, DM is special. No one said he isn't. Booker is special, too. Acting like it isn't close is just being a stupid homer.

Booker is going to have a Chip. DM, not so much. Pretty sure that is goal.

Because of Conley vs Paul and Rudy vs Ayton not because of Don vs Booker.

Respect Don for **** sake.

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[cowhide]

9.6 more PPG with a higher FG% and almost a better 3PT% than Booker’s FG% overall lol.

That high of a PPG difference is the same as Steph Curry and Jerami Grant in the regular season.

But yeah I’m delusional.

DM took more shots than Booker because Booker has CP3 to share the load. So the margins are not as big as you pretend them to be.

 

[LoPo]

DM took more shots than Booker because Booker has CP3 to share the load. So the margins are not as big as you pretend them to be.

Took more shots and hit them with much better accuracy. What point are you trying to make?

The "margins" or "difference" is Paul being that much better than Mike.

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