Jazz Offseason Plan

[LoPo]

I only want Kevin Love in a buyout... I'm not sure it gets there for him this year... If it does there will be a ton of competition. Both LA teams, Portland, GS would likely all be way more appealing than Utah.

I don't think we have a chance to get him in a buyout. No chance at all really.

Maybe we go after Love and Sexton even if Sexton and Don don't really look strong on paper together. If it costs us Favors, Bojan and our minor contract guys so Cleveland can do a salary dump....

If that deal was made knowing that Clarkson was going to be dealt in a deal for a wing/PF option, that could work right? If Conley leaves, we start Sexton. If Conley stays, we slides into the Clarkson 6th man role. He might not love that, but then again, we will load manage Mike. Sexton could start in those situations.

I don't know. Seems like we need to be active in discussion as that 3rd team potentially.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think we have a chance to get him in a buyout. No chance at all really.

Maybe we go after Love and Sexton even if Sexton and Don don't really look strong on paper together. If it costs us Favors, Bojan and our minor contract guys so Cleveland can do a salary dump....

If that deal was made knowing that Clarkson was going to be dealt in a deal for a wing/PF option, that could work right? If Conley leaves, we start Sexton. If Conley stays, we slides into the Clarkson 6th man role. He might not love that, but then again, we will load manage Mike. Sexton could start in those situations.

I don't know. Seems like we need to be active in discussion as that 3rd team potentially.

Part of the reason Sexton is on the block is he wants max money... that guy ain't coming off the bench.

Sexton doesn't work for us at all. I don't see any reason we are in this deal unless the Cavs love Bojan (which would be weird). Cavs would do better to just deal with the third team we'd recruit directly. There is just nothing here for us imo.

 

[Hekate]

We are looking at his deal as "dead money" it isn't that at all. I think his contract is 50% too much... if we trade him as a dead contract that is selling low and a problem. If we are able to get something different and plug in Udoka and be okay then we are good.

I am also working under the assumption that we wouldn't retain Mike, Bojan, JC, and use the taxpayer MLE to improve. That might be incorrect. The tax is enormous but maybe Ryan is itching to whip out his ****** and say "I'll spend with the best of em". If he's willing to pay then don't sell low on favs.

Tony Jones in his most recent article suggested Favs and Udoka might split some time this year... will help Udoka get some PT and keep Favs fresh. I'd support this approach but I thought we could do something similar with the other prospects we had on our roster last year and Quin didn't do it really.

It just kinda sucks that DL overpaid for a backup center who really can't be an every night option because of health. I think we will have some options to move Favs but we may have to be patient. Charlotte strikes out with their cap space I could see them wanting Favs pretty badly. Sacramento loses Holmes then they need to plug the middle. There are some moving parts to this but I don't think we need to panic and pay a premium to move him.

I was ultimately happy that Favors was back because I love him but I found the move weird when it happened. He had some great overall play, plus/minus with the Pelicans so the money didn't come as much of an overpay but paying a little extra so you don't have to go after perimeter defenders and alter the rotation too much.

There were also some warning signs. Fave had an abysmal bubble season. In the bubble, he couldn't move at all, looked so slow I thought he was injured. Bubble was an unique situation, though and I didn't give it much thought. It wasn't like Pelicans were playing for something.

I think Fave is here to stay. He is well liked and still plays better than most back-ups. Money would be better used somewhere else but so would be the assets we have.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

I know I shouldn’t read too much into Tony’s recent article, but it sure feels like we are in store for a “run it back” offseason.

 

[NUMBERICA]

So is he one of the washed up players we should take a chance on?

At his salary, no.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I was ultimately happy that Favors was back because I love him but I found the move weird when it happened. He had some great overall play, plus/minus with the Pelicans so the money didn't come as much of an overpay but paying a little extra so you don't have to go after perimeter defenders and alter the rotation too much.

There were also some warning signs. Fave had an abysmal bubble season. In the bubble, he couldn't move at all, looked so slow I thought he was injured. Bubble was an unique situation, though and I didn't give it much thought. It wasn't like Pelicans were playing for something.

I think Fave is here to stay. He is well liked and still plays better than most back-ups. Money would be better used somewhere else but so would be the assets we have.

I am not sure. I wish we had paid a little less so we didn't push into the tax this year. I also am wondering why we paid full MLE and now the guy can't even hold up under a backup center load. I think splitting time with Udoka will help (Favs takes a 1/3 or so of the nights off and Udoka becomes the backup those nights). That might help us see if we can trade one of them for some value or if Udoka is good enough that he might be an improvement or allow us to move Favs with little to no consequence. Quin is such a creature of habit I'm not sure he could do this.

If they can get off his salary for a low price I'd do it. If not I don't force it.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I know I shouldn’t read too much into Tony’s recent article, but it sure feels like we are in store for a “run it back” offseason.

Which is best case scenario at this point. Conley re-signing is what is best for the team. We are going to be worse if he doesn’t re-sign. Use the MLE to go get a wing who can defend and we are right back in the mix for contention.

 

[LoPo]

I am not sure. I wish we had paid a little less so we didn't push into the tax this year. I also am wondering why we paid full MLE and now the guy can't even hold up under a backup center load. I think splitting time with Udoka will help (Favs takes a 1/3 or so of the nights off and Udoka becomes the backup those nights). That might help us see if we can trade one of them for some value or if Udoka is good enough that he might be an improvement or allow us to move Favs with little to no consequence. Quin is such a creature of habit I'm not sure he could do this.

If they can get off his salary for a low price I'd do it. If not I don't force it.

To me, it's simple - if we can unload his salary for nothing, we should do it. If it takes us adding an asset, we shouldn't do it.

Overall, there is no reason we should be using 3 roster spots on centers who cannot spread the floor or guard the perimeter.

 

[LoPo]

Which is best case scenario at this point. Conley re-signing is what is best for the team. We are going to be worse if he doesn’t re-sign. Use the MLE to go get a wing who can defend and we are right back in the mix for contention.

Best case scenario:

Mike re-signs
We draft a player good enough to contribute and Quin trusts enough to play
We add 2-3 players via the MLE, BAE or minimum who address need areas of smallball/stretch 5 and perimeter defense.

Worst case scenario:

Mike leaves and we get nothing back. That would be a massive gut punch in free agency. I'm not a guy who thinks Conley is impactful as others do around here, but we simply can't lose an asset for nothing after that asset cost us assets we still haven't even given out yet.

 

[NAOS]

Don is friends with everyone in the league except Dhillon Brooks, Gary Trent, Edmond Sumner, and Rudy Gobert.

Sumner is a guy I’d consider bringing onboard, actually.

 

[NAOS]

I wish we could somehow replace Clarkson with Doug McDermott. He's a free agent so it would probably have to be a sign and trade with Indiana. Locke mentioned him this morning when talking about the best points gained players in the league. I think he could replace JC as our bench scorer and be WAY more efficient. He averaged nearly 14 points a game last year and shot 53% from the field and 39% from 3, Clarkson shot just 42.5% from the field and 35% from 3. Clarkson is -0.7 in Locke's points gained and McDermott is +1.4.

If JC can be sold high, then I’m selling. For Marcus Smart, pls.

 

[NAOS]

Rebounding in the playoffs was a big concern. We gave up too many second chance shots.

And this was an obvious problem last season as well. Not addressed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So was just thinking if Favs can't be traded I'd kick the tires around Udoka. Even if we did a deal where we sent Udoka and #30 to OKC for #34 and #36 it would save like 2.4M in salary... translates to about $9M in tax if we use taxpayer MLE and retain Mike... so relatively small deal would save about 11.4M.

If I was running the finances I'd be looking for ways to get about 3 roster spots covered by second round guys because if you draft and sign them you can save about $900k per roster spot and about $3M+ in tax. Its another reason you don't trade #47th pick for Matt Thomas last year... coulda saved some serious dough.

 

[NAOS]

Sexton would be an interesting trade idea if Conley left. Don’t know what they’re asking or if we’d even be able to put together a package for him but I like him a lot. He fits Donovan’s timeline perfectly.

I’d guess that you’d sour on him pretty quickly. His decision-making is exhausting....... But maybe Quin’s system would help him a ton.

 

[NAOS]

We couldn’t defender the perimeter against the Clippers but if nobody can guard Sexton/Mitchell does it really matter?

Um, yeah it does. Also, lemme add a lol. Bai.

 

[NAOS]

Conley was easily our 2nd most impactful perimeter defender this year, which is saying very little obviously, but he was good.

It says a lot, actually. Unfortunately.

 

[NAOS]

Sexton/Mitchell would be a better version of Lillard/McCollum and we have the greatest defender of all-time behind them. Imagine Portland with Rudy but better.

Holy ****, you’re taking some strong shots right off Sexton’s abs. Lol.

 

[mongoose01]

Not if they can’t outscore us.

This is a good argument for Dame and DM, not Sexton and DM.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

draft night will be a tell to me on whether we think Mike is coming back. If we trade back (1st for 2 seconds or the 1st and Udoka trade I suggested) or dump Favs I think we know he's coming back... or at least they are budgeting accordingly.

 

[oneye]

Tony continues saying the core of this team will likely be broken up without improvements in the postseason. I’m just curious as to what exactly Tony means here, like a compete rebuild? Is it referring to Rudy and Donovan? Is it referring to the other guys like Bogey, Joe, etc.? He’s mentioned it several times, and I’m just wondering what exactly it means.