Small move, but I'd cut Miye Oni.
Jazz Offseason Plan
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LoPo
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Why? We gotta have guys on contracts and anybody halfway decent making less than $1.8 is worth keeping for a cash strapped team right?
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I wonder what it would take for Jazz to trade for Dejounte Murray. He is pretty close to a perfect fit. Defensively, he would guard 2s so Mitchell can hide. He stays with the ballhandler even through screens which we absolutely need. Offensively, he can put pressure on the rim, spacing gets jumbled a lot when your only constant rim pressure is Gobert. Shoots okay, too.
Pipe dream.
Pipe dream.
Dont think he's good enough shooter to work for the Jazz. He's had OK shooting seasons from deep, but all on small volume. I'd think his shooting might really sink in the Jazz's offense where he is forced to take more 3pt shots and less mid-range ones.
Ineptimusprime
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If Mike comes back, what I expect to see is us replacing a lot of the end of bench dudes with a mix of vet minimums, undrafted free agents/guys signed with purchased second round picks, and guys currently playing in Israel/Australia/Europe.
I expect second round picks and guys from other leagues to be the preference, because they are smaller contracts that won’t impact tax as harshly as even a vet minimum will, and will be easy contracts for us to negotiate with team options and non-guaranteed components to simply dump next year if it’s rebuild time and no one is a hit.
It’s really the only cheap way we can get “more athletic and younger” and find dudes that will accept the roles we give them. Who knows, maybe we knock it out of the park with someone.
I expect second round picks and guys from other leagues to be the preference, because they are smaller contracts that won’t impact tax as harshly as even a vet minimum will, and will be easy contracts for us to negotiate with team options and non-guaranteed components to simply dump next year if it’s rebuild time and no one is a hit.
It’s really the only cheap way we can get “more athletic and younger” and find dudes that will accept the roles we give them. Who knows, maybe we knock it out of the park with someone.
We really havent't had a guy that attacks the rim with consistency so I don't know. Jazz generate open shots and space to attack so he may improve on his percentages and attempts. Even if they sag off him, he can attack the space.
I believe the spacing works both ways, Jazz need to attack the rim and the threat of it needs to exist to maximize it and Gobert can only provide it without the ball in his hands. When Clippers went zone and limited the number of Gobert screens, we looked lost. The length and physicality from guard spots would help a ton when you play against smaller, switching teams.
Overall, we would miss Conley's IQ and would probably be worse offensively but we need to able to hide Mitchell and Gobert/Murray defending the PnR is exciting.
Unless you can replace them for even cheaper (2nd round picks in year one).
Because:
1. He isnt halfway decent.
2. He's a roster spot better used on a new project that will be cheaper
LoPo
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I'm for that if we can find a project that is better.
I think he's halfway decent, and he knows our system. Maybe he's a late bloomer. Seems like we have to do really well to replace him just to save $200,000.
Ineptimusprime
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Miye dies on every screen and fouls too much.
But he’ll be back, baby!
Calling my shot!
Back: Doke, Hughes, Oni, Forrest (2-way)
Gone: Niang, Ersan, Thomas, Brantley, Morgan
In: draft pick, mini-mle, 2 second rounders/UFAs/guys from Australia/Israel/euroleague, and new 2 way guy (maybe three second rounders if we trade down into the second by moving Fav and 30)
Only other guys I could see gone are Mike and Favors.
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I mostly agree with this. I think there is a chance he can develop in to more, but most likely we have seen his potential. I would prefer we take a chance on someone new.
His role player potential is still high, but there is just something preventing him from putting it all together. I think it's one part confidence and another part just not being able to operate at NBA speed. How many times did he pick up his dribble one dribble too early to make a bad pass when he could have done another dribble to actually suck the defense in to pass or finish? He had the same problems at Yale.
If Oni can just get better at his best attribute, defense, and do it without fouling he has value. If he can do that and make more spotups he has consistent rotation value
It seems like he got worse as the season went on, which is a bad sign. Maybe it's just confidence?
He did have a big impact on the last Denver game. MPJ was going off and then Oni switched on to him and got him out of rythm.
LoPo
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I just find it hard to believe that we would bail on Oni just to save $200,000. Sure he might not be a top 8 or 9 rotation guy, but continuity is important.
Pretty sure the savings is more than that. Oni is paid 1,800,000 next year. I believe you can sign an undrafted rookie for 800K? So that would be 1,000,000 savings plus whatever the luxury tax savings would be from that. I'm not 100% on all that though, but yeah, even regardless of savings I would be for it. I just think the Jazz should reset their low level asset plays.
Ineptimusprime
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Well, zero chance Clarkson gets traded. Don liked a tweet praising Clarkson.
Don is also praying an awful lot lately. About what, I do not know.
Don is also praying an awful lot lately. About what, I do not know.
Ineptimusprime
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There is 100% some merit to resetting the back half of the roster. We’re currently getting next to nothing after spot 9 other than a couple decent games from Trent Forrest.
It’s a part of the roster we can realistically blow up this offseason, save some pennies too, and there’s really minimal downside there. I think we’ll be replacing Niang’s minutes with a mini-mle vet (if we can find one) and then it’s about doing things on the cheap. Go fishing for young pieces that can be signed to cheap team-friendly deals for tax reasons (and that can be thrown aside next year if it’s a blow up) and hope you catch a Lu Dort.
It’s not likely to yield anything of value, but it’s not like we’re losing anything of value or taking any real risk by doing so.
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homeytennis
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I giggle when DL gaslights all of us great unwashed about how Oni is going to be the next great big guard defender in the league. Then this board says "Oh but we need a wing that can defend." There have been guys pass through and management or Quin don't give a peep that fit this description. I give you a partial list: Ty Wallace, Kyle Collinsworth, Malcom Miller, Rodney Pryor, Trevon Bluiett and Maleek Benlevi. The last three are career GLeaguers and the first three have some NBA experience. Miller won a ring with the Raptors. Basically you want this person to basically not suck when called upon with the 2nd unit and play decent D during that time on the floor. But DL and Quin are much smarter than us rubes. Wallace averaged over 9 ppg for the Clips one year.
Ineptimusprime
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Honestly, I think we end up paying Trevor Ariza the mini-mle or part of the mini-MLE on a one year guaranteed deal with a team option on the second year. No one else offers him anything but the minimum, so we end up with Ariza playing Niang’s minutes.