Coronavirus

[JazzyFresh]

Crazy how the virus was all but dead until you all started getting your ineffective(as far as prevention)first two shots. Gonna need your booster here soon!!! Then your fourth! Then your booster for a secondary. Then your flu and covid twice a year.

 

[One Brow]

Idaho is establishing death panels because their hospitals are so overwhelmed. I don’t understand why the unvaccinated aren’t just turned away.

That joke isn't funny anymore. If it's not a joke, it's even worse.

 

[One Brow]

One Brow is my alt confirmed

Too bad write4u/EenieMeenie never found out. Would you believe he started emailing me during his timeout, as if I'd want to have a conversation with him? I'm pretty sure he was hoping I'd confirm his fiction was true.

 

[One Brow]

My daughter, who couldn't get vaccinated because of a pre-existing heart condition, tested positive today. She was exposed by a co-worker that refused to get vaccinated. Myself, my wife, another daughter, her husband and my 2 year old grandson now need to get tested as we were all together Sunday night. I also was at my parent's house last night. Both have severe health issues. Calling them tonight to tell them I had possibly been exposed was not a fun call. What a **** show.

I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes well.

 

[One Brow]

So the vaccine stops the virus?

90% of the time (as advertised) in the under 50% that are fully vaccinated.

It seems like cases should be going down not up but ok.

When less than half are fully vaccinated? Unlikely.

The measles vaccine is 97% effective at prevention... People are getting infected at high rates with the covid vaccine.

Measles full vaccination rate is around 90%, instead of 50%.

How many shots you suppose you need? I'm hearing at least 4 due to ineffectiveness.

As opposed to 3 for measles? 3 shots mean effective, 4 means ineffective?

Then your flu and covid twice a year.

If covid19 mutates as much as the flu does, than maybe so.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I'll have to get more info. I'm not sure what the testing is like but one of the tests you take returning to China shows up positive for 3 weeks with mrna testing, according to reports here. But that might just be bad information. Either way I'm only in the USA for 2-3 weeks so I can get both shots in that time likely. Plus I'll most likely get flu like symptoms and they won't let me on the flight with a fever or other symptoms even with a negative test. Or worse I'll have those symptoms arriving in China and I'll go straight to the hospital for at least 3
weeks, then get cleared a have to do 2-3 strict quarantine.

You can get the J&J shot and be done, or if you have the full 3 weeks then you can get the Pfizer on your first day in-country and the second shot the day you leave. As far as I know all vaccination cites are connected to the CDC who keeps tracks of who has been vaccinated when. The CDC enforces the 21-day interval between the Pfizer shots. Moderna has a 4 week interval so that is out unless you are giving the vaccination cites a fake name.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

I'll have to get more info. I'm not sure what the testing is like but one of the tests you take returning to China shows up positive for 3 weeks with mrna testing, according to reports here. But that might just be bad information. Either way I'm only in the USA for 2-3 weeks so I can get both shots in that time likely. Plus I'll most likely get flu like symptoms and they won't let me on the flight with a fever or other symptoms even with a negative test. Or worse I'll have those symptoms arriving in China and I'll go straight to the hospital for at least 3
weeks, then get cleared a have to do 2-3 strict quarantine.

COVID-19 Vaccine Facts

What you need to know about COVID-19 vaccines, myths and facts.

www.cdc.gov

You will develop antibodies, but shoulf not have false positives. If you are here for 3 weeks, schedule dose 1 the first day you are here, 2nd dose later before departing. Most people that feel under the weather say it is 2 days. I had body aches like I had a flu, but did not feel "sick".

You may get a lot of additional protection with even one dose as you already had the Chinese vaccination. That might be a compromise if you worry about symptoms from dose 2 on the way home.

 

[Scat]

What about the vaccine makes it a risk for people with pre-existing heart conditions?

Possibility of cardiomyopathy after being vaccinated.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Possibility of cardiomyopathy after being vaccinated.

Well, that is scary. Are the risks of getting cardiomyopathy greater with the vaccine than for someone that gets Covid? Are the risks the same with all 3 approved shots? Seems like a rock and a hard place type situation. Sorry again you are dealing with it. I hope your daughter is doing well.

Between stroke risk, cardiomyopathy, MIS-C, etc... Covid has created a pretty ****** situation. I feel especially bad for people with preexisting conditions that can potentially have worse impact. My wife has had a number of patients over the last year, and more recently, that are young and otherwise healthy. Probably a numbers game as their Covid caseload is about 3x higher than it was in the 2020 peak.

She had a patient yesterday about my age with zero preexisting conditions that is on a ventilator and is so weak they can't move. Scary stuff. Other patients in their 30s that have had Covid related strokes due to Covid's blood clotting factors that left one patient unable to walk and one unable to talk. Of course this is just a sample, as she doesn't give me much info on what she does day to day, but seems to mention it when there are kids affected or young healthy adults, which seems to be a conversation we have more and more.

 

[The Thriller]

That joke isn't funny anymore. If it's not a joke, it's even worse.

You thought it was a joke? I thought it was a pretty accurate description of what Idaho is doing. Why do you find it's inaccurate? And I absolutely support overwhelmed ICUs turning away sick unvaccinated patients. At this point, they've chosen their fate. Do you disagree with this? Why would you think this was humorous? Have I made jokes in the past about killing off sick people? Have I been one throughout the last two years to find enjoyment with this pandemic?

Sadly, I think things have hit rock bottom in these red states. More people must suffer and die for these people completely out of line with society and mainstream culture to get vaccinated and rejoin the rest of us. Living in a Facebook reality of covid denial has consequences. I just hope these people bear the brunt of these consequences and not the vaccinated folks who are merely trying to protect themselves and their families.

 

[One Brow]

COVID-19 Vaccine Facts

What you need to know about COVID-19 vaccines, myths and facts.

www.cdc.gov

You will develop antibodies, but shoulf not have false positives.

Will getting a COVID-19 vaccine cause me to test positive for COVID-19 on a viral test?​

No. None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.

If your body develops an immune response to vaccination, which is the goal, you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus.

 

[One Brow]

And I absolutely support overwhelmed ICUs turning away sick unvaccinated patients. At this point, they've chosen their fate. Do you disagree with this?

Yes, strongly. It's bad for the community to release the most infectious back into it. It's bad for the medical conscience to set standards about who does and does not deserve care. It's bad for public health policy to say some people don't deserve to be treated.

Why would you think this was humorous?

I did not think you would be so callous and careless.

I just hope these people bear the brunt of these consequences and not the vaccinated folks who are merely trying to protect themselves and their families.

This policy would hurt more people than the unvaccinated.

 

[Red]

I am not saying you personally are doing all of the things, and I am not crediting you personally with making the flu season mild. I feel we are missing each other because the scope keeps switching. If we are talking about what you do yourself to lower your own risk of COVID exposure, then okay. If we are talking about aggregate societal observations or actions, then that is okay too. It is the mixing of the two that I am having trouble keeping straight.

I just brought up the fact that the flu season was very mild, at the time so many Americans were wearing masks and practicing social distancing, as suggesting those practices might have helped tamp down the flu, and, IF that were the case, would it really be unreasonable to think masking and social distancing helped where Covid spread was concerned as well?

I’m sure most Americans were not using either N95, or the somewhat less effective K95 masks. In fact, I imagine very few Americans were using N95 masks. if very few Americans were using N95 masks, yet the flu declined while many were using the far more common surgical masks, maybe those surgical masks are not so poor as to be considered useless in helping limit spread of Covid.

Granted, maybe masking with non-N95 masks, and social distancing, had NOTHING whatsoever to do with a very mild flu season. I’m no expert in that, but it’s been suggested, by medical professionals, that those practices did help tamp down the flu, or probably did so. So I’m not pulling that out of thin air, it’s been suggested by professionals. (I’m also aware that the flu is not Covid and Covid is not the flu, and I do not know how that factors in, where masking and social distancing is concerned, and where limiting spread of those 2 different diseases via masks and distancing is concerned).

I know I could be clearer, and I’m struggling a bit. Are the non-N95 masks really as useless as you seem to suggest they are? That’s all I’ve been trying to puzzle out. That’s all. I suspect they have helped, even given your example of masked students, sitting closest to an unmasked teacher with Covid, still contracting Covid. That incident may only point to the fact that no mask does a perfect job, and not to such masks being useless altogether. When I wear a common blue surgical mask, I know the seal is not perfect. It leaks if not fitted exactly. Out the top, and along the sides, the seal is usually not perfect. Maybe those students were not wearing perfectly sealed masks, while sitting closest to their teacher.

 

[The Thriller]

Yes, strongly. It's bad for the community to release the most infectious back into it. It's bad for the medical conscience to set standards about who does and does not deserve care. It's bad for public health policy to say some people don't deserve to be treated.


I did not think you would be so callous and careless.


This policy would hurt more people than the unvaccinated.

I disagree. Those who are seriously ill with covid and have refused the vaccine should not be hospitalized at the expense of those who need operations/health care and have become vaccinated. They've had months to get vaccinated and those who have put off important medical operations and/or those who are vaccinated and need treatment should not be sacrificed for those who have acted irresponsibly during this pandemic. Freedom has consequences.

Also I didn't quite understand your response, why did you think I was joking originally? I could use some clarification.

 

[Avery]

Highest case count in Utah since January today at >2k. Pretty sad state of affairs.

 

[MVP]

Possibility of cardiomyopathy after being vaccinated.

That is not correct. Miocarditis and pericarditis are described as rare complications after mRNA vaccines - cardiomyopathy though is completely different and unrelated condition.

 

[One Brow]

I disagree. Those who are seriously ill with covid and have refused the vaccine should not be hospitalized at the expense of those who need operations/health care and have become vaccinated. They've had months to get vaccinated and those who have put off important medical operations and/or those who are vaccinated and need treatment should not be sacrificed for those who have acted irresponsibly during this pandemic. Freedom has consequences.

Your position would spread those consequences to those who did not make the decision.

Also I didn't quite understand your response, why did you think I was joking originally? I could use some clarification.

"I did not think you would be so callous and careless." I'm not sure why you think that is opaque.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Are the non-N95 masks really as useless as you seem to suggest they are? That’s all I’ve been trying to puzzle out.

Face masks for COVID pass their largest test yet

A rigorous study finds that surgical masks are highly protective, but cloth masks fall short.

www.nature.com

The study linked surgical masks with an 11% drop in risk, compared with a 5% drop for cloth.

The study didn't break out the rate for kids, but going by the earlier study in the pre-Delta era, the protection provided to kids from cloth masks is less than 3%.

Also, that teacher may have occasionally removed his mask but that school is a mask mandate school. The teacher and students were masked all the time, or nearly all of the time.

 

[Red]

 

[Red]

Face masks for COVID pass their largest test yet

A rigorous study finds that surgical masks are highly protective, but cloth masks fall short.

www.nature.com

The study didn't break out the rate for kids, but going by the earlier study in the pre-Delta era, the protection provided to kids from cloth masks is less than 3%.

Also, that teacher may have occasionally removed his mask but that school is a mask mandate school. The teacher and students were masked all the time, or nearly all of the time.

Yes, the cloth masks seem to be the least effective.

The teacher was a woman, and she removed her mask to read to the class.

Unvaccinated, unmasked teacher infected more than half of students in class with Covid-19, CDC reports | CNN

An unvaccinated elementary school teacher who took off their mask to read to students ended up infecting more than half of them last May -- and they went on to infect other students, family members and community members, California public health officials reported Friday.

www.cnn.com