Youngkin Wins.

[Al-O-Meter]

Since this is your perception of what happened, then there's no point in debating you. Really, there's no point in debating people who are clearly mentally wasted in the RW desert of covid disinformation, election fraud, and racial/LGBT hate.

My perception of what happened isn't as important as the public perception of what happened. If you are old enough to remember when Howard Dean destroyed his Presidential aspirations in 2 seconds by saying "YEAARRGGHHH!" then you know people aren't always rational actors. Regardless of how you think the events in Louden County actually happened, the McAuliffe soundbite proclaiming "parents shouldn't have a say" ended him. The context doesn't matter. What he really meant doesn't matter. The subsequent attempts at walking it back don't matter.

What does matter is the mood of the country. If you think the Democrats didn't misjudge anything, didn't make mistakes, and don't need to change a thing going forward, I'm thinking you may want to prepare yourself for some rough election nights in the next couple of years.

 

[The Thriller]

Are you sure it isn't being taught?

What We Are Reading | Virginia is for Learners

The Virginia Department of Education is encouraging teachers to read the above links and it states:

Virginia’s #EdEquityVA work is informed by literature, best practice, and research. Below are the resources the Office of Equity and Community Engagement references in the development of our work, as well as texts we recommend:

• Walking the Equity Talk: A Guide for Culturally Courageous Leadership in School Communities by John Roert Browne II
• Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain by Zaretta Hammond
• The Dreamkeepers: Successful Teachers of African American Children by Gloria Ladson-Billings
• Culturally Responsive Teaching: Theory, Research, and Practice (third edition) by Geneva Gay
• Pushout: The Criminalization of Black Girls in Schools by Monique W. Morris
• We Want to Do More Than Survive: Abolitionist Teaching and the Pursuit of Educational Freedom by Bettina Love
• How to Be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi
• Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire
• Using Equity Audits to Create Equitable and Excellent Schools by Linda E. Skrla
• Cultural Proficiency: A manual for School Leaders by Randall B. Lindsey, Kikanza Nuri-Robins, Raymond D. Terrell, and Delores B. Lindsey
• Race, Equity, and Education: Sixty Years from Brown by Pedro Noguera, Jill Pierce, Roey Ahram
• Courageous Conversations About Race: A Field Guide for Achieving Equity in Schools by Glen Singleton
• Foundations of Critical Race Theory in Education by Edward Taylor and David Gillborn and Gloria Ladson-Billings
• Making It: What Today’s Kids Need for Tomorrow’s World
• Four Hundred Souls – A Community History of African America, 1619-2019
• Cultural Proficiency – A Manual for School Leaders, 4th Edition
• Breakthrough Leadership – Six Principles Guiding Schools Where Inequity Is Not an Option

So definitely some books on CRT being promoted teachers to read and add to best practices. Not saying it is being taught, but it sure looks like it...

Posting a list of resources for admins and teachers to read isn't the same as CRT being taught. Speaking as someone who works in education, I can tell you were given resources that we then choose to use depending on the circumstance of our school and district. Given Virginia's history with shutting its own public education system down for several years rather than desegregate, I'm glad their state board is giving educators resources to improve on the equity of their system.

What exactly is alarming to you from this list?

 

[Gameface]

Are you sure it isn't being taught?

What We Are Reading | Virginia is for Learners

The Virginia Department of Education is encouraging teachers to read the above links and it states:

Virginia’s #EdEquityVA work is informed by literature, best practice, and research. Below are the resources the Office of Equity and Community Engagement references in the development of our work, as well as texts we recommend:

• Walking the Equity Talk: A Guide for Culturally Courageous Leadership in School Communities by John Roert Browne II
• Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain by Zaretta Hammond
• The Dreamkeepers: Successful Teachers of African American Children by Gloria Ladson-Billings
• Culturally Responsive Teaching: Theory, Research, and Practice (third edition) by Geneva Gay
• Pushout: The Criminalization of Black Girls in Schools by Monique W. Morris
• We Want to Do More Than Survive: Abolitionist Teaching and the Pursuit of Educational Freedom by Bettina Love
• How to Be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi
• Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire
• Using Equity Audits to Create Equitable and Excellent Schools by Linda E. Skrla
• Cultural Proficiency: A manual for School Leaders by Randall B. Lindsey, Kikanza Nuri-Robins, Raymond D. Terrell, and Delores B. Lindsey
• Race, Equity, and Education: Sixty Years from Brown by Pedro Noguera, Jill Pierce, Roey Ahram
• Courageous Conversations About Race: A Field Guide for Achieving Equity in Schools by Glen Singleton
• Foundations of Critical Race Theory in Education by Edward Taylor and David Gillborn and Gloria Ladson-Billings
• Making It: What Today’s Kids Need for Tomorrow’s World
• Four Hundred Souls – A Community History of African America, 1619-2019
• Cultural Proficiency – A Manual for School Leaders, 4th Edition
• Breakthrough Leadership – Six Principles Guiding Schools Where Inequity Is Not an Option

So definitely some books on CRT being promoted teachers to read and add to best practices. Not saying it is being taught, but it sure looks like it...

Suggesting teachers read books that are about CRT does not equal teaching CRT. Like not even a little bit. It's good to see that teachers are being encouraged to learn about the inequality that exists in education.

I think it's fine if someone wants to make a technical argument that CRT is not the best way to educate students about the systemic racism that exists in the U.S., but if they do so I would assume they would suggest the better method of teaching students about the systemic racism that exists in the U.S.. What I see are a bunch of angry white boomers pissed that students are learning that there is systemic racism in the U.S. at all even though it is blatantly obvious that there is.

 

[Gameface]

Using that certainly makes it easy to demonize the other side. CRT is mentioned a lot at school board meetings but even there I don't think it is really about CRT. I don't think most people even know what CRT is. I think people are just pissed off generally and want to yell at people lording power. Local school boards are one of the few places where you can go face-to-face with people in power and yell at them. I think school boards are taking rage meant for administrators in all levels of government but the school boards are simply the ones most accessible.

I don't feel bad for school boards. People need an outlet and I'd much rather it be school boards than some poor flight attendant or waitress trying to tell customers to comply with a mask mandate.

I don't believe white supremacy is nearly as endemic as you seem to believe. If it is then they're doing a terrible job considering the new Republican Lieutenant Governor the white supremacists elected into office along with Youngkin.

Looking at my OP I think I should have said racist instead of white supremist. If that makes any difference in how you read it.

 

[The Thriller]

This deserves so much needed context. Most southern states dragged their feet after Brown v Board. Virginia took it further, they closed down their entire public education system and some districts for almost a decade rather than desegregate.

Massive Resistance | Virginia Museum of History & Culture

Harry Flood Byrd, Sr. (Houchins Photo)In 1954, the political organization of U.S. senator Harry F. Byrd, Sr., controlled Virginia politics.

virginiahistory.org

After Virginia's school-closing law was ruled unconstitutional in January 1959, the General Assembly repealed the compulsory school attendance law and gave the state's counties and cities the option of operating public schools—the “local option” allowed officials to choose to close public schools. Most localities, some after legal disputes, moved to integrate their school systems. That was not the case in Prince Edward County, however. Ordered by two courts on May 1, 1959, to integrate its schools, the county instead closed its entire public school system.

White officials in Prince Edward created private schools to educate the county's white children. These schools were supported by tuition grants from the state and tax credits from the county. Prince Edward Academy, in particular, became the prototype for all-white private schools formed to protest school integration; segregationists from elsewhere in Virginia and other southern states toured the facility.

But no provision was made for educating the county's Black children. Some received schooling with relatives in nearby communities or at makeshift schools in church basements. Others traveled out of state to attend school with the support of groups such as the Society of Friends. In 1963–64, approximately 1,500 students attended the new Prince Edward Free School, including a handful of white students. But some Black pupils missed part or all of their education for five years.

Events in Prince Edward County drew national attention from news media and political leaders. In February 1963, President John F. Kennedy referred to the situation in a speech to Congress about civil rights. Nonetheless, Prince Edward County did not reopen its public schools on an integrated basis until 1964, when the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed Virginia's tuition grants to private education. This event marked the end of Massive Resistance.

Those who grew up in this system (Boomers) now make up one of the largest segments of the electorate.

Like @Gameface said, CRT is a dog whistle.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Looking at my OP I think I should have said racist instead of white supremist. If that makes any difference in how you read it.

For right or wrong, I don’t always read your words as your words. I read what you wrote as conveying a sentiment of being pissed off and wounded. When statements from people I know are smart and well thought in what they think come across as being from a place of being wounded, I don’t parse it too carefully. The sentiment itself is enough. I know your arguments will get sharper and I’ll go back to parsing exact phrasing going forward.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Suggesting teachers read books that are about CRT does not equal teaching CRT. Like not even a little bit. It's good to see that teachers are being encouraged to learn about the inequality that exists in education.

I think it's fine if someone wants to make a technical argument that CRT is not the best way to educate students about the systemic racism that exists in the U.S., but if they do so I would assume they would suggest the better method of teaching students about the systemic racism that exists in the U.S.. What I see are a bunch of angry white boomers pissed that students are learning that there is systemic racism in the U.S. at all even though it is blatantly obvious that there is.

I don't disagree, but it says right in the link that the educators work is informed by this literature, best practice and research and the links referenced are used "in the development of our work".

I don't have a problem with it being taught per se, but if it is being taught, I would like to know how it is being taught, as it is a broad theory. I have no problem with elementary school students being exposed to CRT, but it better be communicated in a way that is appropriate for young children, as even college students struggle with it as it can be an emotional topic.

I personally think that while CRT was part of the issue, parents tend to get pissed off when a candidate says parents have no role in directing the education of their children. That statement was concerning, although, again, I understand where McAuliffe was coming from, but the way he stated it I think enraged a lot of voters against him, and Youngkin astutely jumped all over it.

 

[Hax0rs]

Democrats in this thread are now going back to the times of segregation (70 years ago) to explain why voters voted the way they did in 2021.

You cant make this stupidity up.

 

[One Brow]

Departments of Health had unprecedented power

Actually, it was the perfectly normal levels of power that you see during pandemics, which fortunately are so rare that this power is rarely needed.

The father of the raped girl showed up to a school board meeting to demand accountability only to be told by the school board there was no rape as they had the police arrest him.

That's not what the father was told. That doesn't even make sense. Further, here's his own description:

Loudoun County father arrested at school board meeting wants court venue changed

The father of a Loudoun County girl who was sexually assaulted at Stone Bridge High School filed two motions related to his charges for disorderly conduct arising out of the June 22nd school board meeting. Scott's daughter was assaulted in the girls' restroom on May 28 by a 14-year-old boy...

wjla.com

When the School Board abruptly ended the meeting, I was confronted and taunted by activists supporting the School Board’s bathroom policy.

If he's just looking for accountability for rape, how did "the School Board’s bathroom policy" get into the conversation? Answer: he was looking to victimize trans people after his daughter was raped by a cis person.

The pictures of the father of the raped girl being arrested was then used by the national school board association to label parents as domestic terrorists

Again, wrong. The label of domestic terrorism came from individuals who made threats, got into fights, left dead mice on doorsteps, etc. It was only in the conservative media that this was tied to Scott Smith.

The election last night was seen as a choice between continued government authoritarianism or pulling back from authoritarianism.

Perhaps that's how you saw it.

I don't understand you, frankly. You seem to want to think yourself a thoughtful person. Yet, over and over again, you back to the same sources of information that have been shown to be lying to you in the past. Over and over again, you get rebutted by the simple facts. Yet, you keep coming back. At what point do you ask yourself if you if you are relying on bad sources of information?

 

[The Thriller]

Democrats in this thread are now going back to the times of segregation (70 years ago) to explain why voters voted the way they did in 2021.

You cant make this stupidity up.

The impact of racism didn't begin or end with segregation. Lee Atwater, one of the most influential political operatives of our time didn't think so:

Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "******, ******, ******". By 1968 you can't say "******"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this", is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "******, ******". So, any way you look at it, race is coming on the back-burner.

Lee Atwater - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again, the alt reality some of you live in created by your RW universe is scary. Anti-Vax, election fraud conspiracies, and racist dog whistling... Unreal.

There's just nothing on the left that compares.

 

[One Brow]

Are you saying that a transsexual, Male to Female, did not rape that girl in a High School Virginia bathroom, then was transferred to another school within the district?

Correct. There is no evidence they were transsexual.

 

[One Brow]

I don't believe white supremacy is nearly as endemic as you seem to believe. If it is then they're doing a terrible job considering the new Republican Lieutenant Governor the white supremacists elected into office along with Youngkin.

Are you truly so ignorant that you don't know white supremacists have a long history of supporting minority people who have supported them?

 

[Hax0rs]

Correct. There is no evidence they were transsexual.

Wait. I'm confused.

The rapist who was a man, self identified as a woman. Isn't that good enough for Democrats to label said man as a woman and transsexual? Don't Democrats believe that whatever a human identifies as, is what their gender is? The rapist identified as a woman, and due to Democrat policies, was allowed to enter the womans restroom as a man.

 

[One Brow]

Love it

It certainly was ignorant enough for you to love.

 

[Hax0rs]

The impact of racism didn't begin or end with segregation. Lee Atwater, one of the most influential political operatives of our time didn't think so:

No ****? You're the one who made the claim that because of Virginia policies in the 1950's, is the reason voters voted the way they did in 2021. A stupid claim, as a majority of voters weren't even alive at this time.

 

[Hax0rs]

Wait. I'm confused.

The rapist who was a man, self identified as a woman. Isn't that good enough for Democrats to label said man as a woman and transsexual? Don't Democrats believe that whatever a human identifies as, is what their gender is? The rapist identified as a woman, and due to Democrat policies, was allowed to enter the womans restroom as a man.

It certainly was ignorant enough for you to love.

Once again owned your silly behind

 

[One Brow]

Wait. I'm confused.

The rapist who was a man, self identified as a woman.

The rapist, who was a boy, apparently identifies as a boy.

Teen suspect found guilty in Loudoun County school bathroom assault

The 7News I-Team has learned that the teen suspect in a sex assault at Stone Bridge High School in Loudoun County in May has been found guilty on all charges. The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Department confirmed earlier this month that a sexual assault did happen inside a bathroom at Stone Bridge...

wjla.com

Notice there is no mention of being trans. What's your evidence for the rapist being trans? The only "evidence" I've seen in that regard comes from Scott Smith, not the boy in question.

 

[The Thriller]

No ****? You're the one who made the claim that because of Virginia policies in the 1950's, is the reason voters voted the way they did in 2021. A stupid claim, as a majority of voters weren't even alive at this time.

Policies of the 1950s have tremendous effects decades later. It's important to learn about their impacts. Which is why Virginia's SBOE is providing educators with resources. And why many who grew up with these policies and their consequences don't want others to learn about them. It makes them feel uncomfortable.

And Boomers are one of the largest segments of our electorate. They're certainly more consistent voters (and will vote in an off year election like yesterday) than Millennials.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2021-elections/virginia-governor-results

Those growing up in the 1950s and 1960s formed the largest part of the Virginia electorate yesterday, 60 percent. So I think you're done here.



This is interesting. College graduates and Nonwhites (college and non-college) certainly heard the dog-whistling.

 

[Hax0rs]

Policies of the 1950s have tremendous effects decades later. It's important to learn about their impacts. Which is why Virginia's SBOE is providing educators with resources.

And Boomers are one of the largest segments of our electorate. They're certainly more consistent voters (and will vote in an off year election like yesterday) than Millennials.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2021-elections/virginia-governor-results

Those growing up in the 1950s and 1960s formed the largest part of the Virginia electorate yesterday, 60 percent. So I think you're done here.

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How do you get 60% of the voters were "growing up" in the 50's and 60's? Do you know how to Math? The demographic you used has 50-64 y/o's in the same. How many 50 y/o's were born in 1950's and 60's moron?

I think we're done here.

 

[Gameface]

I don't disagree, but it says right in the link that the educators work is informed by this literature, best practice and research and the links referenced are used "in the development of our work".

I don't have a problem with it being taught per se, but if it is being taught, I would like to know how it is being taught, as it is a broad theory. I have no problem with elementary school students being exposed to CRT, but it better be communicated in a way that is appropriate for young children, as even college students struggle with it as it can be an emotional topic.

I personally think that while CRT was part of the issue, parents tend to get pissed off when a candidate says parents have no role in directing the education of their children. That statement was concerning, although, again, I understand where McAuliffe was coming from, but the way he stated it I think enraged a lot of voters against him, and Youngkin astutely jumped all over it.

This is not intended as a challenge to you, as I think you accurately described the sentiment that helped get Youngkin elected.

So parents were upset that they would have no role in their children's education so they elected the guy that is going to outright ban a topic from being taught?