Ideal Rotation for the next two years?

[Qman]

All this talk about trading Millsap and Jefferson spurred me to think about what is the rotation we are trying to achieve?

Where do we want to end up at? What are the slots we need to fill either by the draft, trade or free agency?

I think this is where we should be heading to.

New PG 33/ Backup point 15
Burks 33/ Hayward 15
Hayward 18/ New SF 30
Favors 18/Millsap 30
Kanter 33/Favors 15

IMO we need to trade for a better youngish PG and try to draft a very good SF in the draft. Though you could try to do the reverse.

This means that Bell, CJ Miles, Watson/Price and Evans aren't really important in the long term. I traded Jefferson for new starting guard. Harris could be a very good 6th man or we could move him too for a SF.

The only current veteran I see us keeping is Millsap. Harris can come or go depending on things go. I like Evans as a backup PF.

Of course you have some other players for depth. But the above rotation would be our core.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

If these young guys turn out how we dream they will. Kanter and Burks have not even played a minute of NBA ball yet, and Kanter was iffy in his International time. This is what we hope for, but we have to be realistic and not dump players that have proven to have value just yet.

I am all for dumping CJ and Bell for a couple of High School players though.

We need Watson back, Price can play backup somewhere else. His money is not worth the 5 minutes of defense he plays every 3 games.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Don't really know what PG we can get that is better than Harris right now. I'd still rather hold on to Jefferson and trade Millsap.

 

[JohnnyClutch]

Evans intrigues me big time. I wouldn't count him out as a rotational regular. He could be the small forward you're looking for. I think he's quick enough, and I don't really like him going against the other 4s of the league given his size.

If he can continue to develop his jumper, as he and Hayward were reported to have done last year (Hayward clearly did).

Man, his physical gifts are incredible.

 

[NAOS]

Evans intrigues me big time. I wouldn't count him out as a rotational regular. He could be the small forward you're looking for. I think he's quick enough, and I don't really like him going against the other 4s of the league given his size.

If he can continue to develop his jumper, as he and Hayward were reported to have done last year (Hayward clearly did).

Man, his physical gifts are incredible.

I'd also add that by the end of his ROOKIE season, he showed himself to be a very adequate if not GOOD team defender. I think he has a good chance of sticking here.

My money is on Jefferson being the odd man out (eventually). Harris won't have a long career here, either. He knows this; that's why he hasn't purchased a house yet.

 

[orangello]

New PG 33/ Backup point 15
Burks 33/ Hayward 15
Hayward 18/ New SF 30
Favors 18/Millsap 30
Kanter 33/Favors 15

I like where you are headed with this. I would only tweak this slightly.

New PG 33/ Watson 15
Burks 33/ Hayward 15
Hayward 23/ New SF 20/Evans 5
Favors 15/Millsap 33
Kanter 25/Favors 23

That is more how I see things being distributed.

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

All this talk about trading Millsap and Jefferson spurred me to think about what is the rotation we are trying to achieve?

Where do we want to end up at? What are the slots we need to fill either by the draft, trade or free agency?

I think this is where we should be heading to.

New PG 33/ Backup point 15
Burks 33/ Hayward 15
Hayward 18/ New SF 30
Favors 18/Millsap 30
Kanter 33/Favors 15

IMO we need to trade for a better youngish PG and try to draft a very good SF in the draft. Though you could try to do the reverse.

This means that Bell, CJ Miles, Watson/Price and Evans aren't really important in the long term. I traded Jefferson for new starting guard. Harris could be a very good 6th man or we could move him too for a SF.

The only current veteran I see us keeping is Millsap. Harris can come or go depending on things go. I like Evans as a backup PF.

Of course you have some other players for depth. But the above rotation would be our core.

Harris realy isn't that bad a PG. isn't he a top ten PG when he is healthy. i think we should give him a chance before we give up on him. furthermore, the Future of the jazz is burks at SG, Hayward at SF, Favors at PF, and Kanter at Center. i'm not sure we need a SF in the next draft... and if you are not sold on harris, why not draft a PG? also, why can't evans be important long term? he is atleast a possibility because he is still so young.

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

of course, you're arument we'll be that burks and kanter have not proved a thing yet and that makes sense... but honestly, i think a person doesn't know B-ball if they can't tell that burks has some special abilities and will therefore be a stud in the league. i keep on saying it! the guy is crafty,smooth, and able to do some amazing things with the ball in his hands

 

[Jazz Spazz]

of course, you're arument we'll be that burks and kanter have not proved a thing yet and that makes sense... but honestly, i think a person doesn't know B-ball if they can't tell that burks has some special abilities and will therefore be a stud in the league. i keep on saying it! the guy is crafty,smooth, and able to do some amazing things with the ball in his hands

I think I see that too, but I'm holding on to that hope for now. You never know what off court issues players might have, or ego issues that mess with team effectiveness. I don't think he will have any problems, or be a headcase, but you never know until it happens. I'm probably 90% sure Burks will rock!

 

[LogGrad98]

If these young guys turn out how we dream they will. Kanter and Burks have not even played a minute of NBA ball yet, and Kanter was iffy in his International time. This is what we hope for, but we have to be realistic and not dump players that have proven to have value just yet.

I am all for dumping CJ and Bell for a couple of High School players though.

We need Watson back, Price can play backup somewhere else. His money is not worth the 5 minutes of defense he plays every 3 games.

This. Especially in bold.

 

[LogGrad98]

of course, you're arument we'll be that burks and kanter have not proved a thing yet and that makes sense... but honestly, i think a person doesn't know B-ball if they can't tell that burks has some special abilities and will therefore be a stud in the league. i keep on saying it! the guy is crafty,smooth, and able to do some amazing things with the ball in his hands

This actually concerns me a little. I keep seeing this kind of thing mentioned when discussing Burks. How much does he need the ball in his hands to be successful or effective? Everything I have heard is that he could do spot minutes at point, but that is not his strong suit. So is he going to be Maggette, capable when it is going his way, crap when he is pissed he doesn't touch the ball as much as he wants? We also already had a wing break down over not getting the ball enough. We don't need another one. He needs to be able to play within the team concept, as I highly doubt he is good enough to carry the team on his own ala Kobe or Wade, who both also really need the ball in their hands to do amazing things.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Evans should be getting his minutes at SF, not PF. He should be Hayward's back-up at the 3

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Evans should be getting his minutes at SF, not PF. He should be Hayward's back-up at the 3

What? I thought Hayward was playing the 2?
We all have our ideas of what "should" and could happen, but I think we will just have to wait and see what Corbin decides to do, and then complain about it.

 

[Qman]

I like Evans and I think he could become a rotation player permanently. But I don't think you plan for it. He would just be a pleasant surprise.

On the Burks topic, he is scorer first and last. He is used to have the ball and making plays. It is going to be a big adjustment for him to play without the ball most of the time. He might in the long term thrive as a 6th man scorer.

Under the rotation described above our primary scoring option would change night to night based on who was hot and what the matchups are.

On Harris I don't hate him but in 2 years he will be 31. For our young players prime years he will 31-35. He can be a transistional player be we are going to need a young point guard at some point. On the other hand Millsap and Al Jefferson are 2 years younger and would be 29 in a couple of years.

The flipside of all this is we don't have to trade players to stay under the luxury tax. We could just remain a very deep team with Harris, Burks, Hayward, Millsap, Kanter, Jefferson and Favors + whoever we draft in the lottery next season.

 

[TheGreatBambino86]

I like Evans and I think he could become a rotation player permanently. But I don't think you plan for it. He would just be a pleasant surprise.

I think that it would be cool to see him become a rotational player. He is a crowd pleaser and I think it would be awesome to see him get some more minutes. I think however that as soon as his contract is up he will be shipped out. I think that the Jazz see him as a filler player with nothing long term.

 

[spycam1]

This actually concerns me a little. I keep seeing this kind of thing mentioned when discussing Burks. How much does he need the ball in his hands to be successful or effective? Everything I have heard is that he could do spot minutes at point, but that is not his strong suit. So is he going to be Maggette, capable when it is going his way, crap when he is pissed he doesn't touch the ball as much as he wants? We also already had a wing break down over not getting the ball enough. We don't need another one. He needs to be able to play within the team concept, as I highly doubt he is good enough to carry the team on his own ala Kobe or Wade, who both also really need the ball in their hands to do amazing things.

I've wondered about his ability to move without the ball as well, so it was one of the things I decided to pay attention to at the charity game, and I have to say, I was pretty pleased. Watch the video I've attached. There are plenty of instances when he scores by cutting to the basket, then gets dished the ball for an easy dunk or layup; not all of his points came from him going iso and etc. He seems to have a great understanding of what the defense is doing, and how to get open for some easy points. Yes, this was just one game, and an all-star type game at that, but it still gave me reason to be optimistic about his ability to do things without the ball in his hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba6RhPkajg0

 

[The Midnight]

Don't really know what PG we can get that is better than Harris right now. I'd still rather hold on to Jefferson and trade Millsap.

If KOC can turn Millsap + Harris into a future franchise PG I'd be very happy to call him the best GM in the NBA.

Make it happen!!

 

[Dr. Jones]

Damn depressing. All upside is maybe's. ??

If, If, If, rather than proven quantities ..

Nevermind, back to the Kool-Aid.

 

[spycam1]

I ran out of the Kool-Aid a while back...so I've had to continuously piss it out and drink that. It gets healthier every time

 

[sepanol]

Damn depressing. All upside is maybe's. ??

If, If, If, rather than proven quantities ..

Nevermind, back to the Kool-Aid.

If we didnt trade Deron, we wouldnt even have any ifs right now