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Jingled said:
From everything I've read and heard on the radio from guys like Tony Jones and Andy Larsen, Ainge is the guy and will have the final say on any moves that are made.
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If Ainge brings a deal to Ryan he’s going to go for it. So if he wants something I think he’s getting it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
6th year of contention huh? This is our third year in my estimate.
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Probably longer than 6 years. There’s contention every year and the end of every year that I can remember I’ve felt like **** and gotten angry.
 
Jingled said:
From everything I've read and heard on the radio from guys like Tony Jones and Andy Larsen, Ainge is the guy and will have the final say on any moves that are made.
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We know that Q has power and influence enough to force out a GM. That’s evidence of power-sharing. There’s no way Danny was invited into a situation where he’s gonna get to waive his ego around and quickly reshape the team in his image. I mean, he doesn’t even have many assets to facilitate that kind of thing anyway.

If we make a big move this year, then thats something all of the interested parties have already discussed.
 
NAOS said:
We know that Q has power and influence enough to force out a GM. That’s evidence of power-sharing. There’s no way Danny was invited into a situation where he’s gonna get to waive his ego around and quickly reshape the team in his image. I mean, he doesn’t even have many assets to facilitate that kind of thing anyway.

If we make a big move this year, then thats something all of the interested parties have already discussed.
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This is true… but I also believe Ainge isn’t dumb and won’t push for some wild change that everyone is opposed to.

I think we probably need to take some Valium. Doubt anything major happens in part because we don’t have much to sell off that isn’t a part of the current rotation.

I think next year we do need some changes if we don’t have a good playoff run… given Danny’s history he’s more likely to offload Mike, Bogey, than Rudy. If we did move on from Rudy I think Ainge will get great value in the deal. He was good at collecting assets and extracting value in trades. He seemed to be decisive and move quickly in one direction or another. I’m not super impressed with his drafting history but whatevs.

I guess the good thing is he definitely has influence and I think he won’t hesitate when the time to retool or rebuild comes.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I am worried about that too. He has a real cavalier/maverick attitude toward this stuff. I am afraid he is going to lean on his own "expert" status and new position as CEO, combined with his superficial "knowledge" of the team, and start making wholesale changes. I could see Rudy getting packed up and sent out to bring back like Bam or something, with some wings in the mix in some multi-team deal or something, because Ainge buys into the media interpretation that we lost in the playoffs last year because the greatest defensive center of this generation "can't guard on the perimeter", which is ********* plain and simple. I have definite concerns about that kind of thing happening. I hope they are unfounded but he saw success making big swings in the past and I imagine he will want to do the same thing here. I sure hope not though.



(please note, I use the Rudy example above simply as a spit-ball scenario off the top of my head as an example of the KIND of scenario we might see, not the EXACT one I actually think will happen, so I will not argue that point. Seems this board cannot grasp the idea of hypotheticals.)
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also my fear.
 
Danuel House would have to be in consideration as a 3/D guy who has struggled since Harden left but could revive his career in the right set up.

Also if Thad Young gets a buy out he would be a good option as a small ball five.
 
Ainge is here for the teardown this offseason when we lose in the second round again.

Marcus Morris, Sr., though an *******, is correct. We’re the same team, and will be exploited the same way come playoff time. And trading for a perimeter defender won’t be enough. We need multiple perimeter defenders and probably even an philosophy change (or at least have a back-up plan and the pieces to implement it when the funneling to Rudy thing just isn’t working and we are getting hammered in the mid-range).

As presently constructed, we are toast if a team can pull Rudy out to the perimeter or if a team can hit midrange shots.
 
The Jazz need a guy like Scottie Barnes. Royce is tough and he plays hard, but he's just not big/long enough to disrupt teams the way we need. We really need a 6'7" or 6'8" Royce O'Neale.

Rudy Gay could have been that guy 5 years ago, but now he's really starting to show his age. He looks like Donyell Marshall out there.
 
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Ineptimusprime said:
Ainge is here for the teardown this offseason when we lose in the second round again.

Marcus Morris, Sr., though an *******, is correct. We’re the same team, and will be exploited the same way come playoff time. And trading for a perimeter defender won’t be enough. We need multiple perimeter defenders and probably even an philosophy change (or at least have a back-up plan and the pieces to implement it when the funneling to Rudy thing just isn’t working and we are getting hammered in the mid-range).

As presently constructed, we are toast if a team can pull Rudy out to the perimeter or if a team can hit midrange shots.
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Phoenix can use Ayton to occupy Rudy, even if he doesn't pull Rudy out of the paint, while Chris Paul and Devin Booker shoot from mid-range. That's going to be a challenge.
 
NAOS said:
So we just need to add a recent top-10 pick with a physical profile that every team wants.

Copy that. Ainge will pull dat out his ***... which is why we hired his ***.
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Well, there are other options, obviously, like Jerami Grant. Not saying we'll get it, but that's what the Jazz really need. Royce is supposed to be our lockdown 3D wing, but he's not able to do it.
 
NAOS said:
So we just need to add a recent top-10 pick with a physical profile that every team wants.

Copy that. Ainge will pull dat out his ***... which is why we hired his ***.
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We just need a Paul George or Lebron James type… that’s what I’d do anyway.
 
Honestly we just need to hold hands and pray that we sign Kris Dunn and he’s healthy…
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We just need a Paul George or Lebron James type… that’s what I’d do anyway.
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What's more likely to happen is that the Jazz trade Joe Ingles (or possibly Jordan Clarkson, but it's more likely Joe imo) for someone like Larry Nance Jr. or Kyle Kuzma. Maybe they can make a move for Jerami Grant.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Honestly we just need to hold hands and pray that we sign Kris Dunn and he’s healthy…
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This would be the first hurdle. The second would be utilization. I think Quin sticks to what he’s got. It’s like the old game show where you guess which door, among three, has the prize behind it, then when one is eliminated you have the opportunity to switch choices. Quin is insistent that he will keep his choice, as it’s the door that got him there. Another bad analogy is citing how 30 minutes a day on the treadmill will reduce your cardiovascular risk and then having a patient come in to the ED with chest pain and saying “let’s get him on a treadmill.” That is to say that I don’t have much faith in his application of moneyball.
 
The sad truth is I actually think the Jazz are not just one player away from being championship contending, but probably multiple players. The team is built for regular season success, but I think will be vulnerable in any playoff series with a team that can outplay the analytics by scoring at an above-average clip from the mid-range. As good as Conley and Mitchell can be together on the offensive end, I worry that back court will always be too small on defense. Having Bogey and Clarkson in the rotation is offensively potent but a total liability on defense.

Gobert gives us an unbelievably good "Option A" defense, but does limit what is possible for an "Option B". We essentially need perimeter defenders that are physically strong and agile enough to fight over screens and guard a player out in space. Finding that type of player who is not a liability on offense is a very tall order. The best case scenario is finding a diamond-in-the-rough prospect, but the Jazz haven't had much luck with their 2nd rounder/undrafted types lately.

It will be very hard to upgrade the defense without hurting the offense but I think they have to try. I don't want to be stuck in the "good but not great" world. I too am afraid of what Ainge might do, but am also not as protective of our current roster as others might be. While I admittedly let myself get excited last year when the team was cooking prior to the all-star break, I have always had a nagging sense that this roster is fundamentally flawed in its construction. If there is a move out there that can add size to our back court and athleticism to our wings I think we have to try, even if it means a major shakeup. In my mind, everyone but Donovan and Rudy are tradable.
 
The key to beating us is setting a screen. That’s it. That’s the secret.
 
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