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I do think Donovan has been much better defensively this year and has picked up the steals/deflections a bit. Mike is great at getting in front and has picked up his activity there too... only issue is bigger guards can get in the middle and body him a bit.

Bojan is capable of ramping up his defense when needed maybe not great over a 7 game series but still useful. Royce is solid but needs to pick it way up if he is going to continue to be the "stopper". Gay gives us a secondary rim protector and big rebounding forward. Our small ball has been pitiful and it hasn't helped the offense out at all... which is really the whole point of small ball. Without Hassan and Rudy in the middle the defense is just... yikes.

We still just need a disruptor or "lockdown" perimeter guy. I feel confident on bigger wings but guys like Curry, Booker, Ja, we are going to get cooked. I think Smart is basically the perfect guy to fill the role... I wish we would have snaked Pat Bev away from the Clips this offseason. As annoying as he is he would be amazing for us off the bench and give us the ******* we lack. Forrest has been good on defense but the offense is just too bad... I don't think he's as good as either of those guys on defense and the offense will make him more and more unplayable as the postseason progresses.
 
infection said:
I’ll make a longer post later but I know we suck at defense from a physical abilities standpoint, but I don’t believe this is purely inability. It’s a function of the system and the way we do things relying so much on Rudy that has made our perimeter defense get drastically worse each year, to the point where we literally can’t stay in front of anyone. Not hyperbole. We will never be in front of a guy if they try to get around us.
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I agree... you can see it so clearly when we go small... guy gets a shoulder on his defender and its an uncontested layup with 5 guys looking at each other... the offense also goes into my turn your turn mode. Unless we land a guy like Thad Young I don't think we can do the switchy small ball stuff on defense... Thad is great as a roll guy because of how he can score or find the open guy.

But yeah the ability is only part of the problem... the "funneling" tenet needed to be abandoned at some point.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I do think Donovan has been much better defensively this year and has picked up the steals/deflections a bit. Mike is great at getting in front and has picked up his activity there too... only issue is bigger guards can get in the middle and body him a bit.

Bojan is capable of ramping up his defense when needed maybe not great over a 7 game series but still useful. Royce is solid but needs to pick it way up if he is going to continue to be the "stopper". Gay gives us a secondary rim protector and big rebounding forward. Our small ball has been pitiful and it hasn't helped the offense out at all... which is really the whole point of small ball. Without Hassan and Rudy in the middle the defense is just... yikes.

We still just need a disruptor or "lockdown" perimeter guy. I feel confident on bigger wings but guys like Curry, Booker, Ja, we are going to get cooked. I think Smart is basically the perfect guy to fill the role... I wish we would have snaked Pat Bev away from the Clips this offseason. As annoying as he is he would be amazing for us off the bench and give us the ******* we lack. Forrest has been good on defense but the offense is just too bad... I don't think he's as good as either of those guys on defense and the offense will make him more and more unplayable as the postseason progresses.
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Comedy will be if Beverley is bought out and signs with us.
 
infection said:
Comedy will be if Beverley is bought out and signs with us.
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Oh he is more likely to get an extension in Minny than to get bought out. Thad could be a buy out guy but I think they will get a draft asset for him.
 
Though if we got Beverley, Quin probably gets mad and tells him not to do what he does but to funnel to Rudy.
 
infection said:
Why would Minny extend him?
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Because they like him and he wants an extension. He is helping change the culture a bit there and seems happy... not a lot of vets love it in minny.
 
infection said:
Though if we got Beverley, Quin probably gets mad and tells him not to do what he does but to funnel to Rudy.
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Bev is a vet so Quin would let him ride. Also, no one tells him what to do.
 
another guy I've loved for a while is De' Anthony Melton. He was mentioned in a trade piece on the Athletic where Detroit was looking for Jerami Grant destinations. I think Memphis and Grant is actually a damn great fit... but Melton was going to Detroit in the deal. I'm sure we could talk them into a 1st and some salary fodder for Melton. Might have to be an Ingles deal. He's a very active defender who has shown some good shooting ability. He's locked into a great contract for a couple years.

Sending Joe to Detroit (or they could find a team that wants Joe for their expiring salary plus some second round picks) with a pick and taking back Melton would save us a ton of tax this year... like $15M. which DL can use to reinvest in the program.
 
From Tony Jones' latest article.

A subtle, yet exceptional point​

When the Jazz traded Derrick Favors to the Oklahoma City Thunder this past offseason, they created a large trade exception worth $9 million. It expires on June 27, which is important, because that extends through the NBA Draft. What the exception means is that the Jazz can absorb a contract worth up to the amount of the exception without having to send a matching salary in return.

For a Jazz front office, this could come in handy. If there is a team that’s ready to pack it in for the season or if teams become sellers at the trade deadline, the Jazz can take a useful player without having to surrender a useful player.

Trade exceptions often expire. But, this could be something to watch in this season for the Jazz, as they try to fortify their roster as much as possible.
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Jingled said:
From Tony Jones' latest article.
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I would be willing to bet we go down in salary instead of going up. I think we are in the 3-1 bracket of tax payers so taking on a 9M guy means he costs $27M in tax... plus his prorated salary. We are likely in repeater territory next year meaning a guy could cost even more if it is a longer deal. Adding a player to the current group doesn't change things unless they are better than Joe or Hassan they won't play.

Not trying to be a dick... just poo poo-ing the notion of us spending more... it is a nice thing to note but I'd bet we'd use it in the summer if we use it at all.
 
Jingled said:
In addition to this:

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Yeah having you anchors be that strong defensively can make everyone else more complacent, covers up their sins so to speak.
 
infection said:
I don’t think they use that.
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I think the only way they do is if they did a 2 for 1 deal where they take less salary in than they send out... and then they find a good value like Justin Holiday for a second.

So say you landed Marcus Smart but it cost you Joe Ingles and Royce... then maybe you can justify adding Holiday (if he's available). Torrey Craig would be another potential guy and you likely get a second rounder in that deal.
 
I think just about the only way we get in on a good deal is sliding in on a 3-4 team trade and snaking a guy like Smart, Melton... I just don't think a first plus Joe is what those teams are looking for... but if it is part of an asset grab for a bigger deal... Dame, Ben Simmons, Grant... then I can see us landing something worthwhile.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think just about the only way we get in on a good deal is sliding in on a 3-4 team trade and snaking a guy like Smart, Melton... I just don't think a first plus Joe is what those teams are looking for... but if it is part of an asset grab for a bigger deal... Dame, Ben Simmons, Grant... then I can see us landing something worthwhile.
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Well the good news is that if Smart is who you want, and if it’s who Ainge wants, then we’ll definitely be kept in mind as Ainge’s son is still in the Boston FO. Ainge did no favors for his son’s congressional campaign when signing Hayward, and wouldn’t even throw him a bone with a TPE, but I’d bet he’d expect more good graces coming his way from his kids.

Otherwise I would have said us getting into a larger deal on the side wasn’t going to happen.
 
Jazz are 1-5 versus the top 8 teams... 1 win came against a hobbled Milwaukee team. This is not a new trend. There is enough data to see a problem. We can't do a trade just for the hell of it... but if one of these defensive pieces is gettable we should push aggressively to get them.
 
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