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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Handlogten's Heros said:
With Collins and Huerter I think its a fascinating experiment. Were they the beneficiaries of Trae's great passing or were they somewhat neutered by his ball dominance and they have a bit more to give.
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Collins is just in a weird spot talent-wise. He isn't bad enough to be a simple role-player but isn't good enough to carve out a bigger role. He still relies a lot on assists. If he was a better defender or a passer, it would be more stomachable and you could sell yourself on potential.

His assisted %FGM is at %82, Rudy's is at %72 for comparison.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Lol I would love that. Won’t happen though. We most likely have to swap Bogey for Hunter if we want him or compromise and take Huerter which isn’t bad at all.
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Probably right.

I hope we push really hard for Hunter, and then settle for Okongwu. Worst case, Huerter. I just hope it's not just Collins and Capela.
 
I think with PG Don paired with Collins it could actually be really ugly. Trae dominates the ball but he's also waaay better at setting up and delivering passes than Don is. And if Collins is angry about Trae's shortcomings in setting him up, the Don/Collins honeymoon period could be VERY brief. And make no mistake, the reason Collins has been perpetually in rumors is because he's a pain in the *** about this stuff.
 
LoPo said:
Probably right.

I hope we push really hard for Hunter, and then settle for Okongwu. Worst case, Huerter. I just hope it's not just Collins and Capela.
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We’d atleast get 16 with those two. I think that is the baseline deal. I’m willing to guess we end up with Huerter.
 
Hekate said:
Collins is just in a weird spot talent-wise. He isn't bad enough to be a simple role-player but isn't good enough to carve out a bigger role. He still relies a lot on assists. If he was a better defender or a passer, it would be more stomachable and you could sell yourself on potential.

His assisted %FGM is at %82, Rudy's is at %72 for comparison.
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Is that due to his talent level or due to the fact that Trae has to be involved with everything?

Collins has been unsettled for a while. Maybe it's because he's like you said. Or maybe it's because he wants to play in a more even system.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If the Jazz can get Okongwu and #16 then I might be interested. As it stands, Capella is about as league-average as a player gets IMO and feels negative value and I think JC would be traded again in another year but I'm not sure what that yield will be. Those two pieces feel like a lot of ****ing around to find out absolutely 0 with how they fit into the team in ~5 years which is all I care about.
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I also am not sure how far Atlanta will go on a trade with Rudy. Their salary cap situation is dicey and adding Rudy's big max to Trae's supermax (now that he made all-nba). I would be surprised if they went further than Rudy+Bogey for Capela, JC, Huerter, 16. If I was in their shoes I doubt I'd go that far.

Chicago is the team to me that should do what it takes since they have Lavine, Derozan in their primes and have some other defensive parts to pair with Rudy. Going from Vuc to Rudy is such a monumental difference for them it would give them a real shot at something meaningful. Vuc, Williams, Ayo, 2022 1st, and a future first seems pretty reasonable in their situation. I'd take White too or flip him to another team for some draft capital.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think with PG Don paired with Collins it could actually be really ugly. Trae dominates the ball but he's also waaay better at setting up and delivering passes than Don is. And if Collins is angry about Trae's shortcomings in setting him up, the Don/Collins honeymoon period could be VERY brief. And make no mistake, the reason Collins has been perpetually in rumors is because he's a pain in the *** about this stuff.
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I think Trae is the bigger pain though... and JC may be the guy who doesn't bend to his will.

I agree though... is JC better because he is playing with the ball in his hands or worse because no one is setting him up?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I also am not sure how far Atlanta will go on a trade with Rudy. Their salary cap situation is dicey and adding Rudy's big max to Trae's supermax (now that he made all-nba). I would be surprised if they went further than Rudy+Bogey for Capela, JC, Huerter, 16. If I was in their shoes I doubt I'd go that far.

Chicago is the team to me that should do what it takes since they have Lavine, Derozan in their primes and have some other defensive parts to pair with Rudy. Going from Vuc to Rudy is such a monumental difference for them it would give them a real shot at something meaningful. Vuc, Williams, Ayo, 2022 1st, and a future first seems pretty reasonable in their situation. I'd take White too or flip him to another team for some draft capital.
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Is that Chicago deal better than the Atlanta deal? I don’t think so.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Is that Chicago deal better than the Atlanta deal? I don’t think so.
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If I am Atlanta I think the most I do is Clint, JC, and 16...

If I am Chicago I'd do Vuc, Williams, 19, future first, White and very likely Ayo too.

I prefer the Chicago package of those two.

What the teams actually offer will vary greatly from what I would do obviously.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If I am Atlanta I think the most I do is Clint, JC, and 16...

If I am Chicago I'd do Vuc, Williams, 19, future first, White and very likely Ayo too.

I prefer the Chicago package of those two.

What the teams actually offer will vary greatly from what I would do obviously.
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Would you rather have Hunter or Huerter coming back if you had to choose?
 
Hekate said:
Collins is just in a weird spot talent-wise. He isn't bad enough to be a simple role-player but isn't good enough to carve out a bigger role. He still relies a lot on assists. If he was a better defender or a passer, it would be more stomachable and you could sell yourself on potential.

His assisted %FGM is at %82, Rudy's is at %72 for comparison.
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I think he has become a better defender... I'm not particularly hopeful he becomes more than what he is... I just know some guys do better when they touch the ball more... even if they aren't creating per se.

IDK on him.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Would you rather have Hunter or Huerter coming back if you had to choose?
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this is a cop out but it depends on the extension price. If it is reasonable then Hunter (though I am not a big fan). If he wants $20M+ I'll take Huerter.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If I am Atlanta I think the most I do is Clint, JC, and 16...

If I am Chicago I'd do Vuc, Williams, 19, future first, White and very likely Ayo too.

I prefer the Chicago package of those two.

What the teams actually offer will vary greatly from what I would do obviously.
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You really think Chicago would offer that much?
 
Elizah Huge said:
Would you rather have Hunter or Huerter coming back if you had to choose?
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Hunter all day every day, there's a reason the Hawks have been reluctant to move Hunter but have shopped Huerter multiple times.

Huerter is what he is at this point a 12 ppg guy that's an average secondary creator, below average defender, without much upside.

Hunter showed his upside in the playoffs averaging 21 ppg on 56% and has the tools to be an All-NBA defender.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Is that Chicago deal better than the Atlanta deal? I don’t think so.
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It depends on what your goals are as an organization and how much you believe in Collins. I want to rebuild aggressively so the Capella/JC/#16 doesn't appeal to me very much at all AND that might already be more than they're willing to send. I also think it is a significant red flag that rumors have been out on Collins for years despite his raw production.

I also think Ayo and Williams are the exact types of players that need to be around Donovan from a basketball perspective.
 
Trading the only good defender the Jazz have, then to build around a guy who's already declining is so stupid. Not to mention Mitchell will demand a trade pretty soon after he realizes the Jazz are trash without Gobert.
You never trade a star for a few fringe starters and end up being championship contenders.

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nateboz said:
Trading the only good defender the Jazz have, then to build around a guy who's already declining is so stupid. Not to mention Mitchell will demand a trade pretty soon after he realizes the Jazz are trash without Gobert.
You never trade a star for a few fringe starters and end up being championship contenders.

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Who’s declining?
 
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