Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[LogGrad98]

Incredible how this fan base can so incredibly overrate one player and completely disrespect the other.

Rudy was great. Don was great. The supporting cast was disappointing and the coaching was suspect.

Don can definitely be the main part of our successful future.

Sent from my SM-A516U using JazzFanz mobile app

I agree that Mitchell is a generational talent in lots of ways. But his refusal to even try on defense the last 2 playoffs were really telling for me personally. That's not the guy I want to root for. And his refusal to play with Gobert on the court was telling as well. He's immature and overrated. He can be a great #2 but only a #2 because he isn't much of a complete player.

But I also agree that we botched the best years for these 2 from a team -building standpoint. The Conley trade was such a waste. The Favors debacle. Very poor drafting choices. It isn't entirely on Gobert and Mitchell, it's far more on the FO and the coaching staff imo. Which is why they are all gone.

But I do not believe building around Mitchell will get us any more than we have already had. I think we've already had the best around him we are likely to get. Unless he chooses to take a step to becoming a more complete player, both on defense and in his playmaking, then anything we put around him now won't be any better than having a perennial DPOY candidate. Might as well cut our losses, accept that this iteration of the jazz was a failure, and move on entirely.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Bridges, CP, Cam Johnson, Crowder and others make life much easier than what we had.

I would agree with this for sure. My issue is it takes a lot of god given luck to build this type of supporting cast. Hard to do in Utah.

 

[KqWIN]

Ayton isn’t Tim Duncan, so we might as well keep the 25th pick in next years draft instead.

 

[cowhide]

My eyeballs.

Not true

He didn’t have to be, especially these past few years. It’s interesting how the “need” for him to be the primary scorer has increased while the weapons around him have increased in number. Almost like he’s become a selfish stat stuffer.

Oh really? I would’ve never known. Did anyone else know this?

Great observation.

Pretty sure that was the whole premise of my previous post. Spida is not the guy you want to build your franchise around. Basketball is a team sport.

Your eyeballs. Perhaps you need glasses. It wasn't the need for him to be the primary scorer, it was a directive of the coach. Besides Bogie and JC who else would it be. Both Bogie and JC are not number one options. Sarcasm isn't a defense of your position. There are a handful of players in the league that can be franchise centered players. However a player like DM is certainly a big part of making a championship team. The Jazz would have never beaten OKC in the playoffs without DM, nor would they have been the number one seed. Does DM have flaws? Yes but there is a reason why mulitiple teams want him on there team and why the Jazz are reluctant to trade him. Nevertheless, if DM wants out then I would trade him. I would even trade him if they got a great package because the Jazz are in a rebuild mode.

 

[The Thriller]

Family member sent me this from a local store.

 

[PresidioTrojan]

Family member sent me this from a local store.

View attachment 12485

 

[mongoose01]

I want Ayton.

Me too, but I just want him as a piece for a rebuild. I don’t want him and Don together. I could see force feeding Ayton into an all star with him and Conley running the pick and roll constantly. Up his value and trade Conley at the break to a contender or wherever he wants. Just keep wheelin and dealin with the expirings etc. Jazz are gonna have to pay somebody, so I don’t understand why people would be down on a guy like Ayton. He’s got length, athleticism, and potential. If you don’t like those attributes you haven’t watched enough basketball.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[sip]

Ayton on a two year (very tradeable) deal at the right terms is smart if we’re not trading any picks somehow to get him.

I want nothing to do with a 2yr deal for Ayton because we will have a to give up at least 1 first for him. I want him locked into a 4 year deal with a team option on the 4th year.

 

[The Thriller]

It is pretty telling that Phoenix pretty much immediately threw him out for trade as soon as the playoffs ended for them.

Yep.

Wasn’t there some drama before the last game? I don’t think Ayton played in that game or played sparingly. I remember the Suns coach really refusing to talk about it. But there were rumors about Ayton…

Phoenix Suns: Monty Williams says he and Deandre Ayton haven't talked since 'internal' Game 7

Monty Williams took Deandre Ayton out of Game 7 with 8:26 left in the third quarter and didn't put him back as Phoenix lost, 123-90, Sunday to Dallas.

www.azcentral.com

 

[Elizah Huge]

Lol everyone is begging for a tank and when we end up being in the lottery for the next half decade everybody will be complaining. I don’t think many of you are truly ready for another tank.

 

[juds101]

I’d like to see the jazz still trade for John Collins and Myles Turner or Ayton. That would be a fun retool.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

This one is weird? Why trade for Ayton if we will be sending Mitchell away? Seems like we would be losing on value ... Unless he comes incredibly cheap and is more of a flyer(salary filler) you take on high potential...

View: https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/1542987738252644352

 

[sip]

Yep.

Wasn’t there some drama before the last game? I don’t think Ayton played in that game or played sparingly. I remember the Suns coach really refusing to talk about it. But there were rumors about Ayton…

Phoenix Suns: Monty Williams says he and Deandre Ayton haven't talked since 'internal' Game 7

Monty Williams took Deandre Ayton out of Game 7 with 8:26 left in the third quarter and didn't put him back as Phoenix lost, 123-90, Sunday to Dallas.

www.azcentral.com

He was scapegoated in that game. Somehow he got the blame when the entire suns core didn't show up. Booker and Paul were brutal in the first half yet Monty chose to call out Ayton. That was some ********.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

My only guess would be - it's because he needs to be in the trade to make salaries work and the main value for the Jazz is not Ayton but other pieces. Otherwise it sounds weird.

But in that case- what are the pieces that make it worth it for the Jazz? PHX picks become kind of worthless with KD going there.... maybe if they are unprotected and far enough in the future... like the ones from the Gobert trade?

Building a team on a foundation of 37 y.o. CP and 34 y.o. KD, while giving up Ayton, Bridges and Cam Johnson, is building on quicksand. Those could be valuable picks.

 

[NUMBERICA]

As opposed to what? You guys love picks so much you’d rather draft 25th than have Ayton, who you could very easily trade for more picks down the line anyways lol.

On a max contract at 12 and 8 with a reputation for dogging it? Yeah, that “value” goes negative quick. Before CP3 there were real periods of time where it looked like he might struggle to make a second contract. The dude has been getting his table set by one of the GOATs at that and been whipped into shape by the same player whose the toughest taskmaster in the league. And after all that dogs it in the playoffs anyway.

He will have no such benefits here and have no financial incentive either. He is bad money. I am not sure I’ve seen a clearer case of this degree with regard to a potential max player.

If we were talking about a reclamation project, that’s different. We’re talking about a max. And we’re talking about resetting culture on top of that. I think he’s bad on all of it.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I still have my eye on John Collins. Still a great buy low guy out who is out there.

Sent from my SM-A516U using JazzFanz mobile app

The Jazz don't have a franchise cornerstone player. Neither Donny nor Rudy were it. Now the Jazz need to dip into the draft to try and get one.

 

[Miggs]

I want nothing to do with a 2yr deal for Ayton because we will have a to give up at least 1 first for him. I want him locked into a 4 year deal with a team option on the 4th year.

So then don’t do it. We don’t have to help out these teams who want Durant or want Mitchell. They need to help us.

 

[Miggs]

On a max contract at 12 and 8 with a reputation for dogging it? Yeah, that “value” goes negative quick. Before CP3 there were real periods of time where it looked like he might struggle to make a second contract. The dude has been getting his table set by one of the GOATs at that and been whipped into shape by the same player whose the toughest taskmaster in the league. And after all that dogs it in the playoffs anyway.

He will have no such benefits here and have no financial incentive either. He is bad money. I am not sure I’ve seen a clearer case of this degree with regard to a potential max player.

If we were talking about a reclamation project, that’s different. We’re talking about a max. And we’re talking about resetting culture on top of that. I think he’s bad on all of it.

12 and 8? Ayton averaged 17.1 and 10.2 last year. He’s averaged 18/11 before. Not saying we need to go get him but he’s far better than most are making him out to be.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Lol everyone is begging for a tank and when we end up being in the lottery for the next half decade everybody will be complaining. I don’t think many of you are truly ready for another tank.

Try me

 

[RandyForRubio]

I think all of us realize that Mitchell is a good player, with a lot of flaws, namely defense.

His attitude has gotten really bad, and it’s fairly obvious he won’t re-sign with the Jazz in the future. Might as well trade him for some big chips while the value is high.