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Jingled said:
But what I'm saying is I don't want to give away the assets we just got in the Gobert trade to try and build around Donovan and then have to trade him in a year anyway. Like, I wouldn't want to give up two first round picks for Ayton and another first for John Collins or somebody to try and build a win now team around Donovan.
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What about 1 first round pick and bogey (losing bogey helps the rebuild) for ayton?
 
jom2003 said:
well same risk applies to every trade.

what if it's the players that you got from the Donovan trade end up receiving significant injuries?

what if the picks we get from the Donovan trade all end up somewhere in the late 20s and flop? (Favs/Kanter/DedEX)

what if Donovan end up not getting exposed and up his games significantly?

there's just no guarantee that we win the Donovan trade by trading him now vs. a year later.
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Who said anything about guarantees? Get that language out of your head because that’s not what we’re talking about.

The deck is definitely more stacked that his value drops than that it appreciates:
-he will have less time under contract
-there is a strong possibility Gobert was the floor that made the Jazz a winner. Advanced metrics scream that this is the case and has for more than half a decade
-he will be older
-there is no corresponding upside possibility that counteracts the risk of injury
 
NUMBERICA said:
Who said anything about guarantees? Get that language out of your head because that’s not what we’re talking about.

The deck is definitely more stacked that his value drops than that it appreciates:
-he will have less time under contract
-there is a strong possibility Gobert was the floor that made the Jazz a winner. Advanced metrics scream that this is the case and has for more than half a decade
-he will be older
-there is no corresponding upside possibility that counteracts the risk of injury
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We have guys literally guaranteeing 3rd and 4th ranked prospects pre-NCAA season are better than Mitchell in 2 years lol.
 
My brother just read an article of Donovan to Toronto for OG, Trent, and 3 draft picks.

I say no. Toronto with siakam, Barnes, and Donovan is tough and those picks are worth beans. Why grab OG and trent who keep us relevant?
 
Jingled said:
But what I'm saying is I don't want to give away the assets we just got in the Gobert trade to try and build around Donovan and then have to trade him in a year anyway. Like, I wouldn't want to give up two first round picks for Ayton and another first for John Collins or somebody to try and build a win now team around Donovan.
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Ayton and Collins are only 24 years old. Donovan is 25. if anything, having these guys instead of Rudy/Royce/Bogey/Conley/JC/Jingles/Whiteside/Gay only help towards our rebuild as we were one of the league's oldest teams from last season.

rebuild doesn't mean you have to load your roster with as many unproven rookies as possible and pray.

win-now also doesn't mean you have to bring in a bunch of 35 yr old and go as hard as possible.

there's always the middle ground in between, which is exactly what we missed from the DL era and why we fell short.

Sam Hinge once said just take one step at a time. Win 30 game this year. then 40 wins the season later. Then go for 50 and 60. Guys like DM/Ayton/Collins won't turn 30 for another 5 seasons so we can win with these guys no problem.
 
jom2003 said:
Ayton and Collins are only 24 years old. Donovan is 25. if anything, having these guys instead of Rudy/Royce/Bogey/Conley/JC/Jingles/Whiteside/Gay only help towards our rebuild as we were one of the league's oldest teams from last season.

rebuild doesn't mean you have to load your roster with as many unproven rookies as possible and pray.

win-now also doesn't mean you have to bring in a bunch of 35 yr old and go as hard as possible.

there's always the middle ground in between, which is exactly what we missed from the DL era and why we fell short.

Sam Hinge once said just take one step at a time. Win 30 game this year. then 40 wins the season later. Then go for 50 and 60. Guys like DM/Ayton/Collins won't turn 30 for another 5 seasons so we can win with these guys no problem.
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Did you even read my previous posts? My whole point is Donovan isn't going to be here long term and everyone knows it. He has 3 years left on his contract, and Ainge isn't going to wait until he only has one year left and we have no leverage to trade him. Wasting first round picks to try and patch together a win now roster built around Donovan for one season and then trading him is completely pointless. Hell, even Tony Jones has said that the Jazz probably need to trade him with at least two years left on his contract.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Does that outweigh the downside of him being exposed next year on a bad team or having a significant injury? Or what if what’s on offer later is worse now otherwise?
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A team built around Donovan's low efficiency scoring (which will be a non-playoff to a fringe playoff team at best) is bound to lower Donovan's value. He very well be at his highest value of his career right now.

I'll be happy to eat my hat if he becomes efficient and leads the Jazz to great things, but let's just say I wouldn't bet my lunch money in it.
 
Gameface said:
A team built around Donovan's low efficiency scoring (which will be a non-playoff to a fringe playoff team at best) is bound to lower Donovan's value. He very well be at his highest value of his career right now.

I'll be happy to eat my hat if he becomes efficient and leads the Jazz to great things, but let's just say I wouldn't bet my lunch money in it.
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Since when has Donovan been low efficiency? Do people just make up more stuff about Donovan each passing day?
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
My brother just read an article of Donovan to Toronto for OG, Trent, and 3 draft picks.

I say no. Toronto with siakam, Barnes, and Donovan is tough and those picks are worth beans. Why grab OG and trent who keep us relevant?
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Well my grandma just read a story about a ladybug that got lost and makes friends with a caterpillar. I'm not sure which story is more relevant.
 
Gameface said:
Uhh. Are you serious?
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I don’t know what metric you are using but his TS% and EFG% are on par with Steph, Luka, Booker, Tatum, Morant, etc.

I feel like you guys just make **** up about Donovan because you don’t like him it’s super weird.
 
Donovan literally lead the league in PER in the playoffs in 2020, was 7th in 2021 and because he had one down playoff series everyone is ready to give up on him (he was still 22nd in PER).
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't think the sixers came out fine. They are no better off and probably worse off then the jazz were pre Gobert trade imo
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They’ve been like a ball bounce away from the eastern conference finals twice. It hasn’t always been pretty but they had possibly the weirdest run of bad luck with Ben, Markelle, and they whiffed on Okafor… bunch of failed trades… still have Harden, Embiid, Maxey and will have as good a shot at the finals this year as we ever had. It’s a damn good run… they don’t all end in trophies but they’ve certainly had a couple chances.
 
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