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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

NUMBERICA said:
How am I changing the narrative? Quit grafting criticisms made of you into arguments that make no sense.

In no scenario is trading a few mediocre players for a former franchise player that became an All-Star and the floor general for the league's best offense the worst move a franchise has ever made. I don't care the team or the context. That's not a thing.
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Eventually, you will realize that the Conley trade cost us more than just two first round picks. He cost us Rudy Gobert and maybe even Donovan Mitchell. Even Rudy in his press conference said that the window had closed in Utah. Why did it close? Because we lacked assets. Why did we lack assets?

Eventually.....
 
LoPo said:
Eventually, you will realize that the Conley trade cost us more than just two first round picks. He cost us Rudy Gobert and maybe even Donovan Mitchell. Even Rudy in his press conference said that the window had closed in Utah. Why did it close? Because we lacked assets. Why did we lack assets?

Eventually.....
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Because we traded a lottery pick for a one year rental of George Hill? Or when we used a first to acquire Ricky Rubio? Or when we drafted Dante Exum in the top-5 or when we traded up for Tony Bradley in the first? Or when we drafted Udoka Azubuike in the first? Or when we traded a first to get off of Favors contract?
 
LoPo said:
We had two future Hall of Famers in their primes with cap space. We sacrificed all of it on a guy who never showed up in the postseason enough to make more of a difference than Ricky Rubio.

We have brought back worse players in trades, but nothing hurt like this deal. It truly cost us everything we had built.
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Also, Conley averaged 17-9 on 54% from 3 in the Memphis series...

He averaged 20-5 in the Nuggets series on 53% From 3.

He had his first bad series with Utah this past year (the entire team did, so maybe it was more macro related than anything to do with any singular individual). He made a huge difference in the two series he was healthy for. If he was healthy in the Clippers series and carried over his performances from the Grizzlies series even like half-way, the Jazz would have made it to the WCF.

Criticize his health all you want, but the dude was a huge difference maker when he played.
 
Elizah Huge said:
He was healthy. He played every game that series. He wasn’t 100% but if you deny the fact that we win that series if Conley is healthy then you’re more far gone than I thought. I think you are a legit hater of Gobert/Conley.
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Donovan was not healthy in the Clippers series. How could you even argue that with a straight face?

Conley was 100% healthy when he came in for the Denver and Dallas series. He didn't impact either one in a positive way.

I don't dislike Conley. I hated the trade. Rudy is what he is, and we didn't have the assets to build around what Rudy needs to be a centerpiece on an actual contender. So I argued that we needed to trade now (which is what Ainge did and everybody respects what he got). Doesn't mean I hate those guys.

I'm a hater on KD and Kyrie. Don't like those guys at all.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also, Conley averaged 17-9 on 54% from 3 in the Memphis series...

He averaged 20-5 in the Nuggets series on 53% From 3.

He had his first bad series with Utah this past year (the entire team did, so maybe it was more macro related than anything to do with any singular individual). He made a huge difference in the two series he was healthy for. If he was healthy in the Clippers series and carried over his performances from the Grizzlies series even like half-way, the Jazz would have made it to the WCF.

Criticize his health all you want, but the dude was a huge difference maker when he played.
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Cute stats.

We had a better record when Conley sat against Denver than when he played. Where is that stat?
 
LoPo said:
Cute stats.

We had a better record when Conley sat against Denver than when he played. Where is that stat?
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He scored 21 points on 7/13 from the field 4/6 from three with 6 assists in one of the losses. That loss is on him?
 
I’m sure others have mentioned it, but it’s getting to the point that we begin scratching our heads regarding Ayton not landing somewhere by now, right?
 
Elizah Huge said:
He scored 21 points on 7/13 from the field 4/6 from three with 6 assists in one of the losses. That loss is on him?
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Why are you twisting my words? I never said the loss was on anybody. I simply said Conley didn't take us anywhere different than we had already been. The trade was a failure.
 
It sounds like Ayton to the Pacers, or at least the Pacers signing Ayton to a contract, seems like the most likely next big move that is being held up by Malcom Brogdon's physical.
 
margodydek said:
I’m sure others have mentioned it, but it’s getting to the point that we begin scratching our chins regarding Ayton not landing somewhere by now, right?
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It's extremely odd. From all that I've read, Indiana now has the space necessary to sign him to an offer sheet.
 
margodydek said:
I’m sure others have mentioned it, but it’s getting to the point that we begin scratching our heads regarding Ayton not landing somewhere by now, right?
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Only two teams have enough cap space to sign him. If you take him in a sign-and-trade you’re hard capped at the apron. He only counts as 50% outgoing salary from Phoenix. Couple all of that together it’s hard. Not a ton of options.

Indiana is best because they can take back more salary than sending out plus have a player who Phoenix can take back in trade that matches the 50% salary they’re sending out.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Probably this thing called small sample size.
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2-2 without him
2-3 with him

Ask any team that has championship aspirations the following question - would you consider a trade a success if you trade a lot of assets if it meant getting the #1 seed but it also means you wouldn't advance out of the 2nd round of the playoffs?

No team with ambition counts those morale victories.
 
margodydek said:
I’m sure others have mentioned it, but it’s getting to the point that we begin scratching our heads regarding Ayton not landing somewhere by now, right?
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I don't think it's too head-scratching. He's an important piece in basically any trade Phoenix could make for KD. More basic than that is that everyone knows he doesn't love basketball and he can just vanish, even on a team with CP3 and Monty Williams. Restricted free agency of course is usually a seriously complicating factor as well.

He's in a uniquely strange free agency situation.
 
LoPo said:
2-2 without him
2-3 with him

Ask any team that has championship aspirations the following question - would you consider a trade a success if you trade a lot of assets if it meant getting the #1 seed but it also means you wouldn't advance out of the 2nd round of the playoffs?

No team with ambition counts those morale victories.
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I guess 7 is a big number for someone like you since it's pretty close to 10, which is as high as you can get counting on your fingers.
 
stitches said:
The Jazz traded the pick that became Magic Johnson as compensation for acquiring 33 year old Gail Goodrich. So yeah... that Mike Conley trade is not even close to the worst in franchise history.
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You mean the front office already saw exactly what Magic's career was and then decided to let him go? Because that would be the equivalent of the Conley trade. We knew exactly what we were getting and we went and got it anyway. Unless you can say the front office saw 10+ years of Magic's career with all results then this isn't comparable at all. Picks are crap shoots, Conley was a fully known quantity, with injury history and everything. Hell from a pick standpoint we also missed out on Giannis. This list can go on and on. From a mortgage the farm to bring in an aging player that didn't fit our needs standpoint, who is on the list besides Conley?
 
LogGrad98 said:
You mean the front office already saw exactly what Magic's career was and then decided to let him go? Because that would be the equivalent of the Conley trade. We knew exactly what we were getting and we went and got it anyway. Unless you can say the front office saw 10+ years of Magic's career with all results then this isn't comparable at all. Picks are crap shoots, Conley was a fully known quantity, with injury history and everything.
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You know what Memphis did will all of these amazing assets we gave them?

Grayson Allen turned into Sam Merrill and 2 2nds

Jae Crowder added into a deal along with Andre Iguodala and Solomon Hill for Justise Winslow, Dion Waiters and Gorgui Dieng.

One first we sent them turned in Brandon Clarke and the other turned into Walker Kessler who’s on our team now.

My god what a big mistake we made. They turned our golden assets into treasure.
 
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