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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

TheStormofWar said:
They're sweating maybe?

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I think so. I do think it makes some sense though... especially if they know Randle can't be moved. There is only one ball for Don, Brunson, Randle... RJ would get marginalized and be on a big contract extension... which hurts his value.

If its RJ I think you are getting 2 unprotected picks and a swap (plus some protected picks but we care less about those). The article also mentions we'd get another young player too. RJ/Toppin/Fournier and 4 picks (2 unprotected?)
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Spence out here saying its embarrassing how the Jazz are overreacting to the Knicks package they offered. Saying its not that far off and keeps using the work embarrassing and its really weird.

"You aren't getting 6/7 picks for him sorry" Says it like we are crazy... but 5 picks is totally cool and totally reasonable.

Like the offer isnt insulting but its also not something they seriously thought we'd accept... so chill out a bit on the embarrassing talk k.
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Remember when Spence was out there telling folk that Jim Boylen was a shoo-in to be the next head coach of the Jazz right before the Jazz hired Snyder? THAT was embarrassing. . .
 
framer said:
Remember when Spence was out there telling folk that Jim Boylen was a shoo-in to be the next head coach of the Jazz right before the Jazz hired Snyder? THAT was embarrassing. . .
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There is plenty for Spence to be embarrassed about obvi... won't mention his big embarrassment... but he has worn a manbun... don't tell me about embarrassing okay.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There is plenty for Spence to be embarrassed about obvi... won't mention his big embarrassment... but he has worn a manbun... don't tell me about embarrassing okay.
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He's the one "insider" that I am absolutely sure has no inside information. I think Lopo has more sources than that guy.
 
RJ is the way for the Knicks to not include all of their picks. Plus signing him to a max will hinder the cap space and keeping picks helps their asset cupboard going forward. It kind of is a win-win for both teams.
 
Elizah Huge said:
RJ is the way for the Knicks to not include all of their picks. Plus signing him to a max will hinder the cap space and keeping picks helps their asset cupboard going forward. It kind of is a win-win for both teams.
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They have to move him because Randal is eating all the cap space and is untradable. That part is actually kind of NOT a win for them. . .
 
framer said:
They have to move him because Randal is eating all the cap space and is untradable. That part is actually kind of NOT a win for them. . .
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For sure. They should attach a pick or two and try to get Westbrook from the Lakers then start Toppin.
 
I think this is the maximum I can conjure up for a S&T deal involving Sexton and DM. May not work with the S&T rules as Elijah laid them out, and I doubt that Cleveland would make this offer. But it's the maximum (in-the-realm-of-semi-imaginable-possibility) return that I could see coming back to us in a Cavs trade.

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idiot said:
I think this is the maximum I can conjure up for a S&T deal involving Sexton and DM. May not work with the S&T rules as Elijah laid them out, and I doubt that Cleveland would make this offer. But it's the maximum (in-the-realm-of-semi-imaginable-possibility) that I could see coming back to us in a Cavs trade.

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oops, the Stepien rule also messes things, up; although I think you could switch the years for the swaps and picks
 
idiot said:
I think this is the maximum I can conjure up for a S&T deal involving Sexton and DM. May not work with the S&T rules as Elijah laid them out, and I doubt that Cleveland would make this offer. But it's the maximum (in-the-realm-of-semi-imaginable-possibility) that I could see coming back to us in a Cavs trade.

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If the Cavs offered that, you take it and run.
 
TheStormofWar said:
If the Cavs offered that, you take it and run.
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Yeah, probably so. And they're very unlikely to offer it.

But unlike the Knicks, who keep arguing that they can't give it all up because DM is not the piece that will vault them into the ranks of true contenders, you could say that DM does that for the Cavs.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Lol at everyone who believed we weren’t interested in Barrett. McMahon is a guy I like a lot but woof was he wrong. Same with Tony. Myself and HH were the first to push back at this nonsense.
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The whole... "they have to pay them" argument is kinda silly. Yeah... you can only take on so much bad money for picks... we will have infinity cap space next couple years. Lock one of these dudes up. I don't think it takes a full max which would be 5/188. I think you can do it at 5/150-160M. It will look like a damn steal when the cap goes up by 50%... which is when guys like Grimes, Toppin, and IQ will hit FA and get properly paid.

We could also wait him out this year and match an offer later. I'd want to know what his demands were... I don't think full max is necessary.
 
I keep going back and forth on who is winning this waiting game. Do the Jazz really want to go to camp with Don? Do the Knicks want to go to camp without him? I see the pressure from both sides to get it done. One thing I haven't considered as much is Don. We know he doesn't want to be the bad guy and publicly force his way out....if he and his team were going to force a trade to happen quicker, he and his team would probably be telling the Knicks to just get the damn deal done. If he's in camp with the Jazz it puts him in a very awkward situation where he doesn't want to be here and he also doesn't want to let it known he'd rather be on the Knicks.
 
Is a team of Mike Conley, Evan Fournier, RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Vando.... too good to tank?

Assuming we move Bogey, Bev, and maybe Beasley/JC to the Lakers.

I kid. I think.
 
KqWIN said:
I keep going back and forth on who is winning this waiting game. Do the Jazz really want to go to camp with Don? Do the Knicks want to go to camp without him? I see the pressure from both sides to get it done. One thing I haven't considered as much is Don. We know he doesn't want to be the bad guy and publicly force his way out....if he and his team were going to force a trade to happen quicker, he and his team would probably be telling the Knicks to just get the damn deal done. If he's in camp with the Jazz it puts him in a very awkward situation where he doesn't want to be here and he also doesn't want to let it known he'd rather be on the Knicks.
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Who will have more scrutiny? Who is more comfortable being uncomfortable? Who would it hurt more to have a rocky start due to unresolved business?

Even if Don says on camera he wants to go to the Knicks I don't think it tips the scales much. We know he won't be here beyond his deal.

This last offer imo was kind of like the appetizer to the real offer Knicks are hoping we accept... if they throw that offer out and its rejected then I think both teams will bear down for a fight. This still feels like the first round where they are feeling each other out.
 
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