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Trade Confirmed: Jazz get jack for Bogey

framer said:
I'm pretty sure that obtaining Lee puts Butler on thin ice. I'm not sure why we would have confidence in Butler turning out to be a rotation player.
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Butler strikes me as that guy that will take a while to figure it out but once he does he could be dynamic and very impactful. I for one hope they find a way to hold onto him. This is the perfect scenario to give him 2 years to figure it out, and help us tank in the process, and it does all click he might be exactly the PG we needed. Or if not we drop him when we finally get the high draft picks. Keeping him right now is a no-lose proposition and no-brainer to me.
 
The great thing about trades like this is that everyone can point to how that was the market, how there definitely weren’t any better deals out there because of there were, we definitely would have done it. There needs to be a name for this phenomenon of assuming that we always got the best deal.

In the future when we complain about the return, you’ll have the inevitable “lol there’s no way we could have gotten anything more for him, you think DA that dumb? Lol. If he could have gotten ______ he definitely would have.”

And this is one of those things where if we’re so inclined to such a charitable interpretation that this was the best possible move out there, then we have no obligation to make the move. I mean, this is a fan base fluent in KOC-speak, “sometimes the best move is no move.” If you’re trying to sell your 2010 Camry and the best offer you get is your neighbor offering his 10 year old Rottweiler and a half gallon of milk, it doesn’t mean you take it and lol at the haters — it means you decide you just hang on to the Camry.
 
infection said:
The great thing about trades like this is that everyone can point to how that was the market, how there definitely weren’t any better deals out there because of there were, we definitely would have done it. There needs to be a name for this phenomenon of assuming that we always got the best deal.
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It's called denial or self-delusion.
 
I seriously would love to know the reasoning behind a deal like this besides saving money. That is literally the only possible answer that makes any semblance of sense.

This is the same exact type of deal we did with Ingles.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I seriously would love to know the reasoning behind a deal like this besides saving money. That is literally the only possible answer that makes any semblance of sense.

This is the same exact type of deal we did with Ingles.
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Yeah, but at least Ingles was ded.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I seriously would love to know the reasoning behind a deal like this besides saving money. That is literally the only possible answer that makes any semblance of sense.

This is the same exact type of deal we did with Ingles.
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Except Ingles was looking terrible and then had a major injury while Bojan has been the secondary scorer on the “OMG historic offense” teams and is one of the most efficient guys in the league on an expiring deal.
 
Jazzmix said:
Yeah, but at least Ingles was ded.
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infection said:
Except Ingles was looking terrible and then had a major injury while Bojan has been the secondary scorer on the “OMG historic offense” teams and is one of the most efficient guys in the league on an expiring deal.
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That’s the point. We got the same return for an efficient scorer who averaged 18.4 PPG in his three years with us as a player who is worse and tore his ACL.
 
How can someone be so ****ing good at big trades literally the best to ever do it and simultaneously be so ****ing terrible at smaller trades?
 
The Fresh Prince said:
How is one below par trade " flushing it"? Lol just a week ago everyone was on board with the trades.
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So that means everyone must be on board with every trade regardless of outcome? Weird logic. Believe it or not, every trade is its own individual occurrence and everyone can react to each one differently. Crazy, right? One trade can be perceived as really good and the next one can be perceived as really bad, we don't have to have a single opinion that defines our response to every trade exactly as it did for the first one. I know that sounds crazy but it's true!
 
LogGrad98 said:
So that means everyone must be on board with every trade regardless of outcome? Weird logic. Believe it or not, every trade is its own individual occurrence and everyone can react to each one differently. Crazy, right? One trade can be perceived as really good and the next one can be perceived as really bad, we don't have to have a single opinion that defines our response to every trade exactly as it did for the first one. I know that sounds crazy but it's true!
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You're making it seem like one trade kills the entire offseason.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
You're making it seem like one trade kills the entire offseason.
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No one said that. I just said that every trade is viewed as its own thing, how is that even implying that one trade makes another trade worse?
 
The Fresh Prince said:
You're making it seem like one trade kills the entire offseason.
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Not really. We can analyze one transaction and say it's dog water... We don't have to lump it in with other trades we've done.
 
framer said:
I think the big take away here is that teams are probably done trading first round picks. If Bojan could have netted an unprotected pick we would have done that. What was likely out there was protected picks where we take back bad salary. Danny and OKC have destroyed the unprotected picks market. It is likely done for a while going forward.

The next thing will be good players on even better contracts. In that reality expiring contracts aren't going to be worth what they once were. How many big free agent signings happen each year? Like one and if things get crazy, two.

Nonetheless, what we thought was available for Bojan was not available. I kinda wonder what that reality looks like throughout the coming few years. There is a good chance that the overall haul we got for our players will not be possible again for a while. Glad we got the last seat on the bus.
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Andy Larsen said there were offers with 1st round picks, but there was too much salary coming back.
 
Again... this trade kinda shows we really can't read the room with our cap space. If you had to take on money... even a Duncan Robinson type.... do it to get the pick. Our cap space is not that valuable and lots of bad teams will have space and be competing for whatever FA are available. Salary dump deals really haven't been available.

Also, if you are going to do ****** offers because you are locked into a guy you love... go ahead and squeeze a little. If we told Detroit we will do it but need two second round picks or they can take Gay's salary are they doing the deal still? Probably... if they walk... tell em you will call em later.

One more thing. I bet you they'd have done KO for JC straight up. They have a huge logjam at center... why wouldn't we do that? Well follow the money. Ryan got a little ways away from the tax and banked $7M... thank god he can now feed his family.
 
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