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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Sure, of course, but damn, they are getting two very quality rotation players on multi-year team friendly deals. 2nd round picks have very little value to the Suns.
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I agree its a nice deal for them. I don't think there is a lot of real value they should add though. Like is that worth two firsts for them? I'd say no damn way... we gonna make them put in a couple seconds? Not really too worried about that. I think the Suns are on a bit of shaky ground so I wouldn't assume that 2024 pick is in the mid 20s.
 
Also consider the Suns should be desperate as once Chris Paul is fully done, the Suns are probably fully done.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think it;s likely true JC isnt a good passer/playmaker, but it's also true he's on a team that probably hasnt even tried to develop that into his game because of the Trae Young system.
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Hard to get assists sitting in the corner and not seeing the ball much. Atlanta throws the least amount of passes in the league.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think it;s likely true JC isnt a good passer/playmaker, but it's also true he's on a team that probably hasnt even tried to develop that into his game because of the Trae Young system.
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Yeah could be I guess. I was going to say that maybe he’s just trying to get his with two scorers in the backcourt but Collins has never had good assist #s as I recall.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree its a nice deal for them. I don't think there is a lot of real value they should add though. Like is that worth two firsts for them? I'd say no damn way... we gonna make them put in a couple seconds? Not really too worried about that. I think the Suns are on a bit of shaky ground so I wouldn't assume that 2024 pick is in the mid 20s.
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Yeah, of course not two first. I would say it either has to be unprotected, or maybe another additional year out, or adding 2nd round picks.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also consider the Suns should be desperate as once Chris Paul is fully done, the Suns are probably fully done.
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New owner is the big thing there... and I think it makes it more likely they do a big move... if they were going to put in more than 1 first I think they go really big.

Rationally I think they should try to make a deal like the one I proposed to make sure they are top 6 in the west and don't mortgage their future since there will be some tweaking/retooling when CP is done (he is looking really washed).

New owner, closing window, desperation... whatever they end up doing it will likely be a short sighted mistake.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, of course not two first. I would say it either has to be unprotected, or maybe another additional year out, or adding 2nd round picks.
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Then I think we just keep it at 2024 (they won't be bottom 4-5 so I'm not concerned on protections that much)... and you add them to the super swap with Atlanta/Brooklyn/Philly... or sneak in a 2025 swap with the Cavs or Wolves pick.

I wanted to get a pick in 24 to smooth out our draft picks just a smidge.
 
Release the Kraken said:
Just checked and in six seasons he’s never averaged more than two assists a game. Not good imo.
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per36 he got to like 2.4 his first season with Trae. I think he could be like 3.5-4 per 36 if he is used more in the screen game.

Don't think he will be amazing there but its not like Vando is amazing there either. Gets assists but touches the ball a lot and most are to shooters in the DHO actions and not necessarily passing while coming downhill or creating an assist per se.
 
sip said:
Kind of like the wolves and Gobert. I love that idea. It's not like Collins is a free asset coming our way. We would have to give up something good to get him and there is the question of what else you could get for that 25mil in salary. Not every decision is just cut and dry. There are tradeoffs and I'm hesitant to go after a guy that plays the same position as our best player and to get the most out of him he needs to play a similar role to that guy.
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Collins plays power forward almost exclusively. Thats Lauris worst, least frequent and least favoured frontcourt position on offense.

I dont know why people constantly keep repeating he is a 4 when he moves and positions much more like a wing. Can you not see it when you watch the games?

He plays way more above the break than at the baseline... and rarely goes to the weak side corner. Doesnt post up either.

In fact, as evidence, he has just 0.6 3PA per game from right corner (most common PF spot up location) this season, and 5.4 (vast majority) above the break. That 0.6 about the same as Rudy Gay, Ochai and Fontecchio.. who all shoot WAY LESS.

Beasley has twice that at 1.2 and Vando has 0.8 (which is 67% of his 3PA). So based on that they both spend more time spacing in the "4 corner" than Lauri.
 
HermanG said:
Collins plays power forward almost exclusively. Thats Lauris worst, least frequent and least favoured frontcourt position on offense.

I dont know why people constantly keep repeating he is a 4 when he moves and positions much more like a wing. Can you not see it when you watch the games?

He plays way more above the break than at the baseline... and rarely goes to the weak side corner. Doesnt post up either.

In fact, as evidence, he has just 0.6 3PA per game from right corner (most common PF spot up location) this season, and 5.4 (vast majority) above the break. That 0.6 about the same as Rudy Gay, Ochai and Fontecchio.. who all shoot WAY LESS.

Beasley has twice that at 1.2 and Vando has 0.8 (which is 67% of his 3PA). So based on that they both spend more time spacing in the "4 corner" than Lauri.
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Good lord
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
per36 he got to like 2.4 his first season with Trae. I think he could be like 3.5-4 per 36 if he is used more in the screen game.

Don't think he will be amazing there but its not like Vando is amazing there either. Gets assists but touches the ball a lot and most are to shooters in the DHO actions and not necessarily passing while coming downhill or creating an assist per se.
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I don't know, he and KO seem to have some kind of simpatico going on finding each other. Vando is pretty clever with his passes and also pretty sure handed in receiving them. I mean I'm not one to stand in the way of progress but I think we'll miss that.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Since when is how many assists our bigs get a sticking point?
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Not a sticking point definitely, just a minor niggle. I'm much more concerned about the .232 percentage from three tbh. I mean I'm going to assume he's just a rental but either way he has to revert to form sooner than later.
 
HermanG said:
Collins plays power forward almost exclusively. Thats Lauris worst, least frequent and least favoured frontcourt position on offense.

I dont know why people constantly keep repeating he is a 4 when he moves and positions much more like a wing. Can you not see it when you watch the games?

He plays way more above the break than at the baseline... and rarely goes to the weak side corner. Doesnt post up either.

In fact, as evidence, he has just 0.6 3PA per game from right corner (most common PF spot up location) this season, and 5.4 (vast majority) above the break. That 0.6 about the same as Rudy Gay, Ochai and Fontecchio.. who all shoot WAY LESS.

Beasley has twice that at 1.2 and Vando has 0.8 (which is 67% of his 3PA). So based on that they both spend more time spacing in the "4 corner" than Lauri.
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Basketball doesn't work like that where the 4 only plays at the baseline or in a certain position on the floor. They use Lauri all over the floor but more importantly he is the primary big man cutter. The reason why Collins has regressed over the last few years is that is his best role as well but he was displaced with the addition of Capela.
 
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