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HermanG said:
Yeah I dont like that logjam either. Hardy cannot expect to evaluate guys solely based on practice reps either. Also you never know.. taking away the safety net from Sexton might elevate him in unexpected ways.
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Concern with Bull imo is he still doesn't look as fast or controlled as he did before injury. His outside shooting is not good either. I do like his improved IQ playing well rather quickly in a different system different job etc but he is not there yet. long recovery with those injuries given the level he was at physically prior.
I also am concerned he CAN'T play the 6 either, because his scoring ability is not there like it was pre injury.
I think if they are at all concerned about winning, he won't be getting much run as the lbh, even with Mike traded. Hardy will continue to see if Bull can get back to his old self first with his actions by coming off the bench all season.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I get the math spread out over an 82 game sample... but in a single game event there is no such thing as .1 or .15 wins. We have a game that we are favored by 2 points to win when we are fully healthy... then the news comes out Lauri is sitting... we very well could go to -2.

Sitting JC or Lauri 2-3 games each they would not normally sit... very well might add 2-3 losses. Which if you look at the standings is a huge difference. Maybe all those 50/50 type games don't swing towards losses... but in a 29 game sample you could have 2-3 games go the other way pretty easily.
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And the difference between -2 and +2 is something like 55/45 vs. 45/55 to win outright. I mean, it might mean 3 extra losses. As going into the lottery the 10th seed might mean getting Wemby. It's very improbable. It's much more likely that those Lauri/JC rest games lead to no extra losses rather than 3. (So, overall I'd said that's not something that needs that much discussing as the effect is very small anyway.)

Handlogten's Heros said:
Guarantee is strong.. but if we trade Mike, Beasley, Vando and get lesser players or no players back (like waiving Russ)... a little injury management and we could go 10-19 pretty easily.
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This I can agree on wholly :)

And let's say that they trade KO and Vando and don't bring any playable bigs back. I think playing Dok 20 minutes has more effect on tanking than Lauri playing 0 :D
 
HermanG said:
Yeah I dont like that logjam either. Hardy cannot expect to evaluate guys solely based on practice reps either. Also you never know.. taking away the safety net from Sexton might elevate him in unexpected ways.
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I would say as of now the log jam is definitely hindering player development. We already know that Sexton is capable of doing a lot more than he currently is in limited minutes. Ochai is showing a ton of potential so it would be nice to see him getting at least 24 minutes every game to develop. Then obviously we have THT and NAW who have both had stretches of solid play but can't find any minutes in our current rotation.
 
Eddie Zero said:
Concern with Bull imo is he still doesn't look as fast or controlled as he did before injury. His outside shooting is not good either. I do like his improved IQ playing well rather quickly in a different system different job etc but he is not there yet. long recovery with those injuries given the level he was at physically prior.
I also am concerned he CAN'T play the 6 either, because his scoring ability is not there like it was pre injury.
I think if they are at all concerned about winning, he won't be getting much run as the lbh, even with Mike traded. Hardy will continue to see if Bull can get back to his old self first with his actions by coming off the bench all season.
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This entire post is just wrong lmao.
 
homeytennis said:
I want Hardy to give us good looks at Ochai, Bolmaro, THT, NAW, Dok, Juzang and Potter when he's rehabbed. It's not tanking, it's player evaluation.
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not gonna happen imo. Ocahi will, but others not so much. I don't see the last two even being on the roster if we make more than one deadline trade and they will get pushed off.
 
Eddie Zero said:
Concern with Bull imo is he still doesn't look as fast or controlled as he did before injury. His outside shooting is not good either. I do like his improved IQ playing well rather quickly in a different system different job etc but he is not there yet. long recovery with those injuries given the level he was at physically prior.
I also am concerned he CAN'T play the 6 either, because his scoring ability is not there like it was pre injury.
I think if they are at all concerned about winning, he won't be getting much run as the lbh, even with Mike traded. Hardy will continue to see if Bull can get back to his old self first with his actions by coming off the bench all season.
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What in the heck are you talking about? Sexton looks fine physically and saying his outside shooting isn't good is just weird. The guy is shooting 50.5% from the field and 41.7% from 3.
 
sip said:
What in the heck are you talking about? Sexton looks fine physically and saying his outside shooting isn't good is just weird. The guy is shooting 50.5% from the field and 41.7% from 3.
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Look. He is not the player he was in CLE at all. He is smarter, but aside from decent efficiency and numbers that you can use for your argument they are low usage ones.
He is not 100% anyone who saw the Cavs more than twice a season could tell you that.
 
Elizah Huge said:
In his 10 games since coming back from injury:

14.1 PPG on 8.8 attempts per game in 22.7 MPG
56.8% from field
55% from 3

He looks like he’s really struggling.
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you should stop now. his numbers are not telling the story .
If that was all the coach looked at Sexton would be the lead guard already and not boxed in like he has been
 
Eddie Zero said:
Look. He is not the player he was in CLE at all. He is smarter, but aside from decent efficiency and numbers that you can use for your argument they are low usage ones.
He is not 100% anyone who saw the Cavs more than twice a season could tell you that.
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Please stop. He is more than capable of doing what he did in Cleveland if given the same role as Clarkson. He doesn't have that role on this team though. Also I still don't understand why you said that he can't shoot from the outside.
 
sip said:
Your entire post was wrong and the stats back that up. It is almost as if you wrote a post about a completely different player. So strange.
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stats don't tell the story imo. his shooting numbers are on how much usage again? he was highly efficient in CLE at much higher usage. He aint getting the usage, because he is not 100%
 
sip said:
Please stop. He is more than capable of doing what he did in Cleveland if given the same role as Clarkson. He doesn't have that role on this team though. Also I still don't understand why you said that he can't shoot from the outside.
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I dont agree, but maybe if trades are made I will eat crow and he is in fact just being boxed in for reasons other than not being healthy. At which point there is no chance we are tanking if he can replaicate his tank commander role in CLE. smh
 
fishonjazz said:
I would be pretty pissed of we just trade beasley and vando. For me to be happy we need to trade at least one of conley or KO and never play Gay agains after the deadline.

I like conley but probably want him traded most of all just because i want to see what we have with sexton and NAW and THT. Need to clear that logjam.


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Exactly. Ochai and Walker need to be bumped to 30+ mpg immediately. I mean, why not? Move on from Gay and Vando and KO, imo. Win or lose I want to see more of Kessler and Agbaji.
 
Eddie Zero said:
embarrassed by what not agreeing with your dumb ***? go home
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You should be embarrassed because you are acting like a dumbass. Anyone with a brain can see why Sexton isn't putting up the same stats here as he did in Cleveland when he and Garland were pretty much the only options. On this team there are way more mouths to feed so to expect him to have the same opportunity to put up the same numbers makes no sense. Take Clarkson away and plug in Sexton at the 2 and you can pretty much guarantee that he is putting up over 20 points a game.
 
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