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I'm not a huge Clowney guy. I think I ranked him in the 40's last time I ranked players, but he probably should be higher (probably not top 20 for me, but people are going to like him because of his tools and production at a very young age)

I think it's a decent conversation as to is it better to draft a Dick/Wallace/Insert Whoever at 9 and Clowney at 16 rather than Hendricks at 9 and whoever at 16.

It's kind of hard to directly compare the 2 because one was the best player on his team and the other was stuck in a certain role. Workouts for Clowney are going to be huge if he can show more skills than he showed at Bama. I like that Clowney has a distinct rebounding and physicality edge on Hendricks. I dislike that both have string bean legs. Clowney's shot looks promising, but it's clearly not as comfortable as Hendricks. His upside is probably a good spot-up/open shooter where Hendricks has more upside as a guarded catch and shoot player.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm not a huge Clowney guy. I think I ranked him in the 40's last time I ranked players, but he probably should be higher (probably not top 20 for me, but people are going to like him because of his tools and production at a very young age)

I think it's a decent conversation as to is it better to draft a Dick/Wallace/Insert Whoever at 9 and Clowney at 16 rather than Hendricks at 9 and whoever at 16.

It's kind of hard to directly compare the 2 because one was the best player on his team and the other was stuck in a certain role. Workouts for Clowney are going to be huge if he can show more skills than he showed at Bama. I like that Clowney has a distinct rebounding and physicality edge on Hendricks. I dislike that both have string bean legs. Clowney's shot looks promising, but it's clearly not as comfortable as Hendricks. His upside is probably a good spot-up/open shooter where Hendricks has more upside as a guarded catch and shoot player.
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Clowney is a better rebounder but literally every other thing goes to Taylor. I just don’t think they are comparable. Shooting is the most important offensive skill… so give me Taylor and I’ll take Bufkin/George/Howard at 16… maybe Sidy or someone like that too.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Clowney is a better rebounder but literally every other thing goes to Taylor. I just don’t think they are comparable. Shooting is the most important offensive skill… so give me Taylor and I’ll take Bufkin/George/Howard at 16… maybe Sidy or someone like that too.
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I would say the only thing Hendricks has is shooting. Clowney has better handle upside, better finishing, better defense, better foul drawing.

But yeah the shooting difference is potentially very large if Hendricks becomes a guy who can shoot 5+ per game where Clowney is more like a 2 per game type player.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I would say the only thing Hendricks has is shooting. Clowney has better handle upside, better finishing, better defense, better foul drawing.

But yeah the shooting difference is potentially very large if Hendricks becomes a guy who can shoot 5+ per game where Clowney is more like a 2 per game type player.
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I'd tell ya to look up the numbers but ya already did that. Tay gets more blocks, steals, assists and less turnovers and fouls... so any projection on their defense is purely eye test because the numbers say otherwise. Maybe you could argue those things are even but arguing that Clowney is better in those areas is a little tough.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'd tell ya to look up the numbers but ya already did that. Tay gets more blocks, steals, assists and less turnovers and fouls... so any projection on their defense is purely eye test because the numbers say otherwise. Maybe you could argue those things are even but arguing that Clowney is better in those areas is a little tough.
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AAC vs SEC....
 
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Clowney and Hendricks have some similar aspects, but they are not very similar prospects. Hendricks is a wing who provides some big man ability, Clowney is a big who might provide some perimeter ability on offense and has all the tools to do so on defense. I really don't think you can see them as alternatives to one another.

Clowney is one of the youngest players in the draft, but was also one of the best players in the country last season if you go beyond raw numbers. I give him a late lotto/mid first round grade. He's has outstanding defensive tools and instincts. He has great frame and will be NBA C sized in a year or two. I think Nic Claxton is a good physical comp with his size, athleticism, and movement. If the shooting materializes, he could be potentially great, but he's a really strong prospect even if he doesn't shoot it. He has great touch to go along with his athleticism and length. This will allow him to have an offensive role as a good roll man at minimum. My only reservations about taking him with the MIN pick is that we simply do not need a big and that area of the draft is rich with wings. He's good enough to go in that range though. The shooting potential provides a high ceiling, but it is not a make or break skill for him.



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KqWIN said:
Clowney and Hendricks have some similar aspects, but they are not very similar prospects. Hendricks is a wing who provides some big man ability, Clowney is a big who might provide some perimeter ability on offense and has all the tools to do so on defense. I really don't think you can see them as alternatives to one another.

Clowney is one of the youngest players in the draft, but was also one of the best players in the country last season if you go beyond raw numbers. I give him a late lotto/mid first round grade. He's has outstanding defensive tools and instincts. He has great frame and will be NBA C sized in a year or two. I think Nic Claxton is a good physical comp with his size, athleticism, and movement. If the shooting materializes, he could be potentially great, but he's a really strong prospect even if he doesn't shoot it. He has great touch to go along with his athleticism and length. This will allow him to have an offensive role as a good roll man at minimum. My only reservations about taking him with the MIN pick is that we simply do not need a big and that area of the draft is rich with wings. He's good enough to go in that range though. The shooting potential provides a high ceiling, but it is not a make or break skill for him.



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Claxton is the comp/type I think of when I think of Clowney. I don't think that is a comp for Hendricks at all.
 
KqWIN said:
DX Released a mock today:

9. Gradey Dick
16. Noah Clowney
28. Jamie Jacquez

www.espn.com

2023 NBA mock draft: Brandon Miller or Scoot Henderson at No. 2?

Jonathan Givony and Jeremy Woo look at Henderson's slide and why Miller could make sense at No. 2 after Victor Wembanyama.
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I'm guessing that Clowney is going to shock some people, I've been a fan for awhile now. Fantastic physical tools with good defensive instincts and terrific finishing around the basket. Shooting was not great, but he can be a really good player even without a jump shot.

They have Miller ahead of Scoot, I'm kind of in that camp because Scoot's lack of development + shot distribution this year was not encouraging.

Cason Wallace at #14 is low comparatively.

Bilal Coulibaly at #25....have a hard time seeing him last to #27. If we want him we will have to draft him earlier.
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As much as I love Dick, I wouldn't be too thrilled about picking him with Hendricks and Wallace still on the board.
 
Jingled said:
I honestly think Black is who we end up taking at 9, assuming he's still there.
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If we stay at #9 and nothing weird happens... I think its Black/Wallace/Hendricks... I think Wallace is most likely though because Black and Hendricks are gone.
 
Ainge did say the two things he was looking for most was shooting and defense. Black definitely checks one of those, but his shooting is dreadful. It's not just his percentages, he just looks like a very uncomfortable shooter.

Maybe he fixes it, but I have a tough time projecting players who don't have confidence in their shot.
 
I think I’d prefer to secure Coulibaly with the MIN rather than roll the dice. He’s just too good of an athlete to pass on.

Wallace, Coulibaly, whoever and I’ll be very happy.
 
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