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Handlogten's Heros said:
Remember Cy is the dude that saw our roster last year and projected us to be awful. We can't even see the roster yet and he thinks we very well could be awful.
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I have never said we would be awful next year. Im also the first person to make a wrong prediction about the Jazz being bad from last season.
 
There are going to be two salary dump trades next year... One in Atlanta and one in Miami. The Atlanta deal will come with John Collins and the Miami deal its either Lowry or Robinson. All three of those guys are going to be able to contribute a bit. There are some ****** teams with space that will be competing for these deals. So the premium likely a bit meh.

There may be a couple other salary dump deals... New York with Fournier and Dallas with Bertans (but they may not get to cap space so maybe not). One other candidate is Brooklyn... now if we did Ben Simmons and got like 2-3 picks... then maybe that is the deal that leads us into the tank. But it is more likely they are dumping Harris or DFS (while getting something for their trouble).

Outside of Bertans... all the salary dump deals come with useable players... so even those deals may help us add something. Many won't have anything other than seconds attached to them.

If you think DA and JZ are looking at that and rubbing their hands together... well I don't know what to tell you. Those are likely the backup plan to the backup plan.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You keep making this strawman that tanking means we have to have a bottom 3 record
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Nope sir... I'm making the math argument that if we lose 9 more games than last year that is the same amount of games the Hornets won this year. If you don't think 36-9-27 then please explain math to me.

I don't think teams have to try and go +-10 games and I don't think our FO thinks that. I think they go into the summer and find better ways to use cap space than salary dumps for second round picks. I think they are looking at adding actual players and that things might change if they aren't able to do that. I think there will be one salary motivated deal but it will be more like John Collins or something like that.
 
Jingled said:
I guess it's possible we could end up with a worse record next season if we keep mostly the same roster we have right now and add 3 rookies and let them play a ton of minutes next season. But I definitely don't think we're going to intentionally tank. Whatever the roster ends up looking like, I think the front office will just let them go out and try to win and whatever happens, happens.
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Mmm… IDK. Depends on how it shakes out. If Utah is hanging around 10th worst record, I could see them tanking down the stretch to keep the pick.

That being said, it’s time to actually try to win games next year and I think the Jazz win ~47 games.
 
Who are the Jazz for sure leapfrogging in the standings next season? My take that the Jazz will be in the top 10 of the lottery next season mostly has to due with the fact that I just dont think they are ready to take that next step. Maybe we start off strong, or we go on a run at some point that puts us in that 6-10 seed range, but towards the trade deadline the FO will do the same thing they did this year. They will consolidate the roster down to the players they see as long-term pieces and they will pull at the tank lever.

Nearly every team ahead of us in the standings had significant injuries throughout the season. A lot of the reason the Jazz overachieved relative to everyone else this past season was because the Jazz managed to stay very healthy while the rest of the league really struggled with injuries.

Hopefully Lauri is better next year, but I think next season will be another year of development for him as far as the Jazz continuing to try and test his limits as a higher usage go to scorer. Maybe they try to put the ball in Kessler's hands more as far as decision making and post play/jump shooting. Maybe they try to put the ball in Ochai's hand more. Maybe Dunn/THT arent who they showed in latter half of the season.

Overall I just think there are more opportunities for a slight step back than a big enough step forward to warrant the FO not pulling some tank strings.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mmm… IDK. Depends on how it shakes out. If Utah is hanging around 10th worst record, I could see them tanking down the stretch to keep the pick.

That being said, it’s time to actually try to win games next year and I think the Jazz win ~47 games.
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The Jazz tried to win games this year as well before pushing the tank forward. I think we are going to have a very similar mindset unless things really line up in our favor in free agency.

What happens if none of the top tier FA's want to come to Utah? Is Ainge really going to spend money on Kelly Oubre JR, Will Barton, Caris Levert, Harrison Barnes, etc? Or will he look to consolidate more, maybe take on some salary for picks?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Remember Cy is the dude that saw our roster last year and projected us to be awful. We can't even see the roster yet and he thinks we very well could be awful.
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You either listen to the dude who was wrong about the W/L or you listen to the guy who thought trading for THT was a down payment.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Who are the Jazz for sure leapfrogging in the standings next season?
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Which teams have injuries next year?
Saint Cy of JFC said:
My take that the Jazz will be in the top 10 of the lottery next season mostly has to due with the fact that I just dont think they are ready to take that next step. Maybe we start off strong, or we go on a run at some point that puts us in that 6-10 seed range, but towards the trade deadline the FO will do the same thing they did this year. They will consolidate the roster down to the players they see as long-term pieces and they will pull at the tank lever.
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Ummmmm which players are we trading? We offloaded Mike, Don, Rudy, Bogey, Vando, Beasley... we trading Sexton (who didn't play a ton anyway), KO, THT? Don't think there is a lot of lever to pull unless its guys we sign or trade for this offseason.
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Nearly every team ahead of us in the standings had significant injuries throughout the season. A lot of the reason the Jazz overachieved relative to everyone else this past season was because the Jazz managed to stay very healthy while the rest of the league really struggled with injuries.
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Are injuries turned off next year?
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hopefully Lauri is better next year, but I think next season will be another year of development for him as far as the Jazz continuing to try and test his limits as a higher usage go to scorer. Maybe they try to put the ball in Kessler's hands more as far as decision making and post play/jump shooting. Maybe they try to put the ball in Ochai's hand more. Maybe Dunn/THT arent who they showed in latter half of the season.
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What if they get better? What if one of the rookies we have is a top 7-8 his rookie year? What if the $50M in space yields a good rotation player.
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Overall I just think there are more opportunities for a slight step back than a big enough step forward to warrant the FO not pulling some tank strings.
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A slight step back of 2-3 games is not what Locke or most are referring to. I wouldn't even call that a step back as wins/losses can change based on record in close games. Pitching the idea of tanking our way to the 8-10 spot in the lotto as part of the plan is pretty wild imo. We may end up there... but that isn't the plan... and that isn't how the FO will move this summer. If we end up there its because we were hit by injuries and our offseason was bad.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mmm… IDK. Depends on how it shakes out. If Utah is hanging around 10th worst record, I could see them tanking down the stretch to keep the pick.

That being said, it’s time to actually try to win games next year and I think the Jazz win ~47 games.
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Yeah...in that scenario I could see them tanking the last few weeks of the season, and it would be the right call.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
A slight step back of 2-3 games is not what Locke or most are referring to. I wouldn't even call that a step back as wins/losses can change based on record in close games. Pitching the idea of tanking our way to the 8-10 spot in the lotto as part of the plan is pretty wild imo. We may end up there... but that isn't the plan... and that isn't how the FO will move this summer. If we end up there its because we were hit by injuries and our offseason was bad.
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Jesus christ dude. No one here is David Locke. Who is most? Who has even said an actual W/L number?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You either listen to the dude who was wrong about the W/L or you listen to the guy who thought trading for THT was a down payment.
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I mean... we did a second deal with the Lakers... didn't we?

It isn't as crazy as thinking Walker Kessler should go to the G League or that Tony Bradley was a poor mans Aldridge...
 
Jingled said:
Yeah...in that scenario I could see them tanking the last few weeks of the season, and it would be the right call.
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The other angle here is that having one top-10 pick in ‘24 and two 1sts in ‘25 >>> zero picks in ‘24 and three (likely non-lottery) picks in ‘25.
 
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