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Not to change the subject... but the two pairs of prospects I am mostly split on...

Hawkins vs. Grady D

Wallace vs. Black

Hawkins is just bananas with his motion shooting... and seeing all that and realizing he will go from top of the scouting report to sidebar... and I just think he could go bonkers. If you have to commit attention to that guy I think the paint opens up. I think Dick has some size and does some of the connecting things outside of his shooting... I'm just not sure he has the shifty motion that makes Hawkins so tough to guard (insert joke about Dick motion). Grady also a little more flexible positionally due to his size.

I think I am leaning more towards Wallace and banking on the Kentucky guard stuff to break the tie. Arkansas was just such a tough watch without shooting and I know Black was part of that... but there is a lot to like there and I could see him being pretty awesome in space and feeling dumb about not seeing something obvious.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not to change the subject... but the two pairs of prospects I am mostly split on...

Hawkins vs. Grady D

Wallace vs. Black

Hawkins is just bananas with his motion shooting... and seeing all that and realizing he will go from top of the scouting report to sidebar... and I just think he could go bonkers. If you have to commit attention to that guy I think the paint opens up. I think Dick has some size and does some of the connecting things outside of his shooting... I'm just not sure he has the shifty motion that makes Hawkins so tough to guard (insert joke about Dick motion). Grady also a little more flexible positionally due to his size.

I think I am leaning more towards Wallace and banking on the Kentucky guard stuff to break the tie. Arkansas was just such a tough watch without shooting and I know Black was part of that... but there is a lot to like there and I could see him being pretty awesome in space and feeling dumb about not seeing something obvious.
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i agree entirely with both of your prospect - uh, i'll call them conundrums. i'm such hawkins fanboy, but you have to love dick's length (the jokes write themselves), versatility due to his size and it just seems like there is something special about him - not sure if it's that he has a great motor, high bball iq, deceptive athleticism (a requirment for athletic white dudes), underrated passing skills or what it is, but i can't quite put my finger on it. gun to my head, i probably take Dick if he's a legit 6'7-6'8 and Hawkins is barely 6'5 or shorter. when it comes to dick, size matters. if i'm going to err, i'll err on the side of size.

If Dick is closer to barely 6'7" (strong possibility, imo) or shorter and Hawkins approaches 6'6" (highly doubt it), i probably go Hawkins.

I think i feel mostly the same about Black and Wallace - i kinda hated black most of the time i watched him in the second half of the season and Wallace might have been my favorite OAD guy, but if Black is a legit 6'7 without the hair and Wallace is 6'3" i'd have to go with Black. if they are closer to 6'4 and 6'6, i'd be tempted to take Wallace.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i agree entirely with both of your prospect - uh, i'll call them conundrums. i'm such hawkins fanboy, but you have to love dick's length (the jokes write themselves), versatility due to his size and it just seems like there is something special about him - not sure if it's that he has a great motor, high bball iq, deceptive athleticism (a requirment for athletic white dudes), underrated passing skills or what it is, but i can't quite put my finger on it. gun to my head, i probably take Dick if he's a legit 6'7-6'8 and Hawkins is barely 6'5 or shorter. when it comes to dick, size matters. if i'm going to err, i'll err on the side of size.

If Dick is closer to barely 6'7" (strong possibility, imo) or shorter and Hawkins approaches 6'6" (highly doubt it), i probably go Hawkins.

I think i feel mostly the same about Black and Wallace - i kinda hated black most of the time i watched him in the second half of the season and Wallace might have been my favorite OAD guy, but if Black is a legit 6'7 without the hair and Wallace is 6'3" i'd have to go with Black. if they are closer to 6'4 and 6'6, i'd be tempted to take Wallace.
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Hawkins is the guy this year that every time I watch his videos I’m like… holy **** and move him up a bit mentally. I just imagine him curling and flaring off of Lauri or Kessler screens and either burying threes or we just get a ton of dunks.

I Just really hope the presence of Ochai on the roster doesn’t change where we have Hawkins on the draft board.
 
Dick is much better than Hawkins imo. I could see Hawkins being viewed as the more valuable player down the line, but it's going to be very situational.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not to change the subject... but the two pairs of prospects I am mostly split on...

Hawkins vs. Grady D

Wallace vs. Black

Hawkins is just bananas with his motion shooting... and seeing all that and realizing he will go from top of the scouting report to sidebar... and I just think he could go bonkers. If you have to commit attention to that guy I think the paint opens up. I think Dick has some size and does some of the connecting things outside of his shooting... I'm just not sure he has the shifty motion that makes Hawkins so tough to guard (insert joke about Dick motion). Grady also a little more flexible positionally due to his size.

I think I am leaning more towards Wallace and banking on the Kentucky guard stuff to break the tie. Arkansas was just such a tough watch without shooting and I know Black was part of that... but there is a lot to like there and I could see him being pretty awesome in space and feeling dumb about not seeing something obvious.
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Pretty much feel the exact same way. This is a draft where it is hard to fall in love with most prospects but there is so much upside on all of these guys if things click. It has me second guessing myself on almost everyone outside of Wemby and Brandon Miller.
 
sip said:
The good news is that even with that being make believe I think we could do better. I think at 9 we are pretty much guaranteed to have one of Hendricks, Whitmore, Dick or Wallace available and I'm fine with all of them. With the Minny pick I actually like Keyonte George, Hawkins, Whitehead and GG just as much as Black. At 28 I doubt Bufkin is there but we should see at least one of Sidy, Clowney, Coulibaly, Sensabaugh, Jaquez, Strawther, Colby Jones and Pods available. I prefer Sidy, Clowney, Coulibaly and Sensabaugh over Bufkin based on our current roster construction. Particularly if we take a scoring guard with one of our first 2 picks. That just shows how crazy deep this draft is with solid upside guys.
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Good post
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not to change the subject... but the two pairs of prospects I am mostly split on...

Hawkins vs. Grady D

Wallace vs. Black

Hawkins is just bananas with his motion shooting... and seeing all that and realizing he will go from top of the scouting report to sidebar... and I just think he could go bonkers. If you have to commit attention to that guy I think the paint opens up. I think Dick has some size and does some of the connecting things outside of his shooting... I'm just not sure he has the shifty motion that makes Hawkins so tough to guard (insert joke about Dick motion). Grady also a little more flexible positionally due to his size.

I think I am leaning more towards Wallace and banking on the Kentucky guard stuff to break the tie. Arkansas was just such a tough watch without shooting and I know Black was part of that... but there is a lot to like there and I could see him being pretty awesome in space and feeling dumb about not seeing something obvious.
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I go Hawkins and Wallace
 
Elizah Huge said:
Black and Bailey are two totally different players. You could probably find more differences than similar ones between them.
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Their strengths and weaknesses are similar and so is the role I project them in the NBA. Both are athletic defense first guards. Offensively, their best traits are clearly their ability to attack the basket. . Both have questions about their jump shot and how well they can create offense. Neither is super confident in their 3 ball. Bailey is more confident scoring in the mid range, but Black is ahead as a passer and get to the line better. Black's advantages here are definitely more relevant going forward. The mid range game is not something I see Bailey using much in the NBA.

In the NBA I don't expect either to be a high usage guard who carries the offense. They are more connector types...think Delon Wright, Terrance Mann etc. Black is definitely a better prospect, but they are of a similar mold. I good outcome for Bailey is probably similar to a mediocre outcome for Black. Maybe Bailey tries to be that guy (he would likely fail) and live up to his former HS reputation, but I think he should scale down into a smaller usage offense in the NBA.

Even if you just look at raw numbers, hard time seeing why these two are drastically different players:

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Handlogten's Heros said:
Not to change the subject... but the two pairs of prospects I am mostly split on...

Hawkins vs. Grady D

Wallace vs. Black

Hawkins is just bananas with his motion shooting... and seeing all that and realizing he will go from top of the scouting report to sidebar... and I just think he could go bonkers. If you have to commit attention to that guy I think the paint opens up. I think Dick has some size and does some of the connecting things outside of his shooting... I'm just not sure he has the shifty motion that makes Hawkins so tough to guard (insert joke about Dick motion). Grady also a little more flexible positionally due to his size.

I think I am leaning more towards Wallace and banking on the Kentucky guard stuff to break the tie. Arkansas was just such a tough watch without shooting and I know Black was part of that... but there is a lot to like there and I could see him being pretty awesome in space and feeling dumb about not seeing something obvious.
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I have similar evaluations.

I think Hawkins is the best shooter in the draft and his motion shooting gives him more upside potential. Maybe Dick shows more than he did at Kansas and can do some of the same things, but if I'm being honest I think Dick is getting the white guy boost with his shooting performance. It was really good at Kansas, but doesn't standout among other great shooters in this draft. Hawkins is the guy who truly stood out IMO. I think he can be Buddy Hield. OTOH, I think the rest of Dick's game has been a little underappreciated. He has more ways to help his team and this ultimately makes him the better prospect.

I've been calling Wallace the more boring but better version of Anthony Black, and while it was mostly a joke I think it might be mostly true as well. Honestly, it's kind of a toss up but I think it's just a lot easier to see Wallace be a contributor on offense. He's solid in all aspects and might have really been sandbagged by his injury.

One thing I would add, however, is to be careful with NCAA tourney overreactions. Hawkins and Wallace had really good showings, Black Dick left a lot to be desired. While these games matter, they shouldn't matter much more (if it all) compared to any of the other games.
 
KqWIN said:
I have similar evaluations.

I think Hawkins is the best shooter in the draft and his motion shooting gives him more upside potential. Maybe Dick shows more than he did at Kansas and can do some of the same things, but if I'm being honest I think Dick is getting the white guy boost with his shooting performance. It was really good at Kansas, but doesn't standout among other great shooters in this draft. Hawkins is the guy who truly stood out IMO. I think he can be Buddy Hield. OTOH, I think the rest of Dick's game has been a little underappreciated. He has more ways to help his team and this ultimately makes him the better prospect.

I've been calling Wallace the more boring but better version of Anthony Black, and while it was mostly a joke I think it might be mostly true as well. Honestly, it's kind of a toss up but I think it's just a lot easier to see Wallace be a contributor on offense. He's solid in all aspects and might have really been sandbagged by his injury.

One thing I would add, however, is to be careful with NCAA tourney overreactions. Hawkins and Wallace had really good showings, Black Dick left a lot to be desired. While these games matter, they shouldn't matter much more (if it all) compared to any of the other games.
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It sucks that we didn't get a chance to see Black play on a team with some spacing. With more room to operate based on his current strengths you would expect him to really thrive as a playmaker and attacking the basket. I didn't watch a ton of Arkansas games but in the ones I watched it seemed like the paint was always clogged and he isn't a good enough outside shooter to make teams pay for that.
 
At #9, I think the Jazz would be looking at Gradey Dick. Taylor Hendricks probably goes in the top 8, Cason's going to measure out small, and Anthony Black isn't a convincing shooter.

At #16, the Jazz would be looking at Keyonte George, JHS, Brice Sensabaugh, Rayan Rupert and Sidy Cissoko. Wallace, Black, Hawkins and GG are probably gone.

Jazz can be aggressive in pursuing trades, but they need to find a willing partner.
 
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Alright, who do you realistically want to get with this new, ****** Timberwolves pick? Assume Wemby, Scoot, Miller, Thompsons, Whitmore, Walker, Hendricks, Wallace, Dick, and Black are off the board.

I'm going Bufkin (assuming the Jazz didn't grab another guard with their pick). Keyonte George would also be tempting there. I also cannot be entirely talked out of taking a flier on GG with all of the above off the board. I also like Hawkins but his game is rather unidimensional.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Alright, who do you realistically want to get with this new, ****** Timberwolves pick? Assume Wemby, Scoot, Miller, Thompsons, Whitmore, Walker, Hendricks, Wallace, Dick, and Black are off the board.

I'm going Bufkin (assuming the Jazz didn't grab another guard with their pick). Keyonte George would also be tempting there. I also cannot be entirely talked out of taking a flier on GG with all of the above off the board. I also like Hawkins but his game is rather unidimensional.
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We need help everywhere so BPA for me.
 
So has anyone here mentioned Maxwell Lewis? I’m scratching my head as to why he couldn’t go higher.

Great length. Nice looking shot. Can create and score off the dribble.
 
Consolation of getting 16 instead of 13 is that we are taking Hawkins now which im thrilled about. Booker it
 
NUMBERICA said:
Alright, who do you realistically want to get with this new, ****** Timberwolves pick? Assume Wemby, Scoot, Miller, Thompsons, Whitmore, Walker, Hendricks, Wallace, Dick, and Black are off the board.

I'm going Bufkin (assuming the Jazz didn't grab another guard with their pick). Keyonte George would also be tempting there. I also cannot be entirely talked out of taking a flier on GG with all of the above off the board. I also like Hawkins but his game is rather unidimensional.
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Hawkins if he’s there… I think George and Hawkins are likely gone. Fine with Bufkin there too.

Jazz might consider going guard and grab Wallace and then look at a wing in Hawkins, Jett or someone like that at 16. It’s not ideal but there is usually someone that unexpectedly slides and there will be trade up scenarios.
 
fishonjazz said:
Consolation of getting 16 instead of 13 is that we are taking Hawkins now which im thrilled about. Booker it
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I think Dick, Black, Hawkins, Keyonte, Wallace and GG are likely taken in the 10 - 15 range. At 16, I think we're looking at Cissoko, Hood-Schifino, Bufkin, etc.

Don't sleep on Hood-Schifino if the Jazz think they can improve his shooting and athleticism. He's big, he's got some touch, and he's got real potential as a distributor.
 
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