Yeah, 9 is definitely a stretch.
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Yeah, 9 is definitely a stretch.
Your hatred of GG is completely insane.
The GG bandwagon closed a while ago with I think Ferg and I as the only ones on board.
How is he undersized for a pg? Do you think he is going to measure small than 6'2" in shoes?
Not allowed on GG. You dug that hole deep a while ago and can't dig your way back out.
He's a bit undersized for a player with his current offensive skill level, unless you think he was just hiding half of his abilities at UK. Also, I'm not a believer in the smallest guy on the floor being a defensive stopper.
I don't hate Wallace, but I don't think he's a top-10 guy based on BPA. Maybe the Magic conclude that he's the missing piece for their team and they take him for positional need. He can play off the ball while guys like Suggs and Wagner can make plays.
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Ok so this is a popular discussion right now so I think I better address why I think that's the case. My points below as to why I think Cason Wallace is undersized.
1. What is the average or standard height for a point guard right now might not be the case in the future. It might be taller/longer.
2. I've read or heard somewhere that in last year's draft everybody who were taken in the 1st round were 6'4 or taller. This kinda shows the trend of where the NBA is going.
3. Wallace's exact height is currently unknown, someone mentioned he's 6'3 something in shoes? We'll have to wait for the Draft Combine.
4. Ainge seems to like size/length. This is my personal hypothesis looking at his past decisions such as trading the Fultz pick to grab Tatum, Marcus Smart being Boston's point guard, him picking Dunn from the DLeage and this year trialing THT (which he traded for) as the point guard.
5. Again I've read somewhere the trend right now is "guards are getting longer" and "bigs are getting smaller". So that could be a new trend? And if everyone's getting longer could we get left behind? Or do we want to lead the charge?
6. If all things being equal (I know they're not), would you rather not pick a longer prospect? If Cason Wallace is this polished, can't miss scorer coming out ala Kyrie or Lillard, then I think an exception needs to be made but I don't see that from him yet.
That's just my thought process, again everyone can have their own opinion. But personally unless a PG is so polished and is a can't miss scorer, I'd rather pick somebody who can also score but with 'above average size' for his or her position (Hendricks, GG, etc).
GG will be a good test for my approach to evaluating players, because I have almost as much conviction in him becoming an impactful offensive player as I had for Paul George back in 2010. Not as much, but close. However, I don't expect him to do much of anything his first 2 years in the league. So whoever takes him needs to be willing to wait a while.
I'm expecting GG to get drafted in the 12-16 range: 12) OKC, 13) TOR, 14) NOLA, 15) ATL. If he slides through that group, it must mean that teams think he's immature or he's not that guy.
I'm expecting GG to get drafted in the 12-16 range: 12) OKC, 13) TOR, 14) NOLA, 15) ATL. If he slides through that group, it must mean that teams think he's immature or he's not that guy.
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Same. So that's why I think we might need to reach for him at #9. He won't last til #16 'Guaranteed' (in Charles Barkley's voice, lol)
I'm much more excited to get him than the Black/Dick/Wallace group.
The one thing with GG is that I'd like to see him make a pass at some point, not just a bailout pass because the move he was working on got snuffed, but a genuine I'm-going-to-set-a-guy-up pass. He can't always be a one-way ticket, even if play finishing is his thing.
We can discuss it. Keep in mind, that if someone goes for Black or Wallace in the top 8, that will push one of Hendricks, Walker, Whitmore or Ausar to the Jazz at #9. I'd pretty much expect the Jazz to take whomever drops to them.
If you watch Gradey Dick closely, he makes some really high-IQ plays with advanced timing. He's going to be an advanced ball mover and make some visionary plays just off of timing and IQ. That's actually where he has some upside, imo.
Yeah well that's the dream scenario right now.
But what are the chances of that happening?
Indiana already has a point guard in Haliburton - so it's hard to imagine top 7 not picking one of: Wem, Miller, Scoot, Amen, Aursa, Walker, Whitmore.
I would put that chance at 10% or less.
Yeah but the lack of physical upsides? Playing above and putting pressure at the rim at the NBA level?
Unless he can bulk up ala Hayward I'm going with GG..
It's Orlando that I could see taking Wallace or Black. They've already got Franz, Paolo and WCJ in the frontcourt. Their backcourt is a bit patchy. Gary Harris is non-guaranteed. Cole Anthony is a backup. Fultz is UFA in a year. Jalen Suggs has started to emerge. Cason Wallace could come in and replace Gary Harris from Day 1.
He gets to and on the rim, though. Most 19 year olds put on weight.
Gradey isn't that guy. You're hoping he's like a bigger version of Hornacek, assuming his off-the-dribble game develops. But he's not going to overpower NBA athletes.