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Knicks vs Cavs 1st Round Series (Mitchell Getting *** Whooped by Brunson Season 2)

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ok man, if you just want to strawman something go for it, because I'm clearly not saying any of that dumb **** you are trying to put on me. If you want to carry Murray's water go for it and post some things you think are in his favor. I just dont think an inconsistent shooter who cant get to the FT line is a good play for the Jazz, especially when you consider it would take assets.
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You presented his shooting as "He just had his best shooting year..... but he ended it shooting 27% from 3 after ASB." Not a strawman... you presented a 20 game sample which isn't representative of his season or career lol... was merely questioning why single out that 20 game sample to "make your case".

The case for Murray is simple... he's 26 and he's good on both ends of the court. I wish his shooting was more consistent... but he has consistently improved on that end. So if he provides 21-22 pts and 7-8 assists per game on average or slightly below average efficiency... while playing good point of attack defense... well that is worth a look if the price is right. Went for 2 unprotected picks and one protected (garbage pick) last summer... if the price is 50% of that... well that might be a move to make.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yes, Brooks is a free agent and would be worth looking into depending on the price. I wouldnt want him to be a starter and I wouldnt give him the freedom he has in Memphis. If he agreed to those things he'd be a good addition depending on the $$$.
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So if the president of the *** clown association all of a sudden decided to change the nature of who he is and we got him cheap it would be a good deal... got it.
 
Jingled said:
Don knows what he needs to do, he just has to go out there and do it.
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Now is the time to be taking all those difficult shots. It’s what he practices all summer. They’re due to fall this time. This is where any kid growing up in NY watching Carmelo knows where the superstar puts the team on his back. Everyone else just watch him work. Enjoy the magic. It’s Sports Center time.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So if the president of the *** clown association all of a sudden decided to change the nature of who he is and we got him cheap it would be a good deal... got it.
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I mean, I dont think it's that wild of a possible outcome.

I really have no idea what the market for Brooks will be. Maybe he gets a reality check. I think most of his persona is pretty fabricated and I think he could dial it back if he felt it necessary. It's the kind of thing I wouldnt do as a GM without having that face to face talk and I wouldnt be putting too much money into it.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, I dont think it's that wild of a possible outcome.

I really have no idea what the market for Brooks will be. Maybe he gets a reality check. I think most of his persona is pretty fabricated and I think he could dial it back if he felt it necessary. It's the kind of thing I wouldnt do as a GM without having that face to face talk and I wouldnt be putting too much money into it.
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Yes. Tons of guys change their "persona" on and off the court and do so at a discount.

I'm not saying Murray is a for sure guy I'd go get.. but if the price is an unprotected pick and some extras... then I think its something to consider. Could he take the leap from 34% to 37% from 3? Its not probable... but stranger things have happened.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes. Tons of guys change their "persona" on and off the court and do so at a discount.

I'm not saying Murray is a for sure guy I'd go get.. but if the price is an unprotected pick and some extras... then I think its something to consider. Could he take the leap from 34% to 37% from 3? Its not probable... but stranger things have happened.
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What is the extras? I doubt Atlanta would even do that. They just traded two unprotected firsts, a protected first and an unprotected pick swap for him.
 
Elizah Huge said:
What is the extras? I doubt Atlanta would even do that. They just traded two unprotected firsts, a protected first and an unprotected pick swap for him.
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Right... and 50% of the contract he is on has been used up. So one unprotected pick and say the Philly pick this year... plus we send KO or Dunn or THT... or we just absorb the contract creating savings for them.

Trading a guy on an expiring contract generally mean you are getting quite a bit less than when he has 1.5 or 2 years left. The protected pick they got is garbage lotto protected Charlotte pick that turns into two seconds in 2025.

We also have the ability to do a renegotiate and extend contract with Murray using cap space. Atlanta can't do that. It would factor into the equation.

I'd do a deep background check on Murray and make sure I felt great about him. I'm sure Hardy dealt with him in SA and understands the risks there. Not saying I'd 100% do it but if that is the cost you have to consider it. It might not be the costs but I think there are logical reasons to say that is what the cost should be.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right... and 50% of the contract he is on has been used up. So one unprotected pick and say the Philly pick this year... plus we send KO or Dunn or THT... or we just absorb the contract creating savings for them.

Trading a guy on an expiring contract generally mean you are getting quite a bit less than when he has 1.5 or 2 years left. The protected pick they got is garbage lotto protected Charlotte pick that turns into two seconds in 2025.

We also have the ability to do a renegotiate and extend contract with Murray using cap space. Atlanta can't do that. It would factor into the equation.

I'd do a deep background check on Murray and make sure I felt great about him. I'm sure Hardy dealt with him in SA and understands the risks there. Not saying I'd 100% do it but if that is the cost you have to consider it. It might not be the costs but I think there are logical reasons to say that is what the cost should be.
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You do that if you know he’d extend but again I doubt Atlanta does that. I could be wrong.
 
Elizah Huge said:
You do that if you know he’d extend but again I doubt Atlanta does that. I could be wrong.
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I actually agree... they may say they ain't selling for 50% of what they got and walk. I also would want to have a deal in place on an extension... I ain't trying to do the George Hill 2.0 deal.

I think Atlanta likely tries to make it work and sells at the trade deadline if it isn't working. Most likely Collins is finally sold at a discount... I've already pitched KO and 28 for JC and 15... if we can't get Hendricks in the draft I'd strongly consider that type of deal.
 
Damn... Knicks doin work.
 
Imagine losing in the first round… 4-1… at home… to the team you grew up watching and wanted to go to this summer… and they got yo *** on NBA TV… I think it’s quite conceivable the trade request comes this offseason.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Imagine losing in the first round… 4-1… at home… to the team you grew up watching and wanted to go to this summer… and they got yo *** on NBA TV… I think it’s quite conceivable the trade request comes this offseason.
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I think the Cavs come back and win this game.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Imagine losing in the first round… 4-1… at home… to the team you grew up watching and wanted to go to this summer… and they got yo *** on NBA TV… I think it’s quite conceivable the trade request comes this offseason.
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This could not have played out any worse for him...or any better for us.
 
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