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Handlogten's Heros said:
With Taylor I am assuming he will never be like a ball handling wing. I don't think he needs that to be effective. If he added that on top of the other stuff he projects to have... then you are really on to something. I think the path is more like super role player... OG Anunoby, Super PJ Washington, Mikal Bridges type dudes that fill in a lot of gaps and provide great flexibility.
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I think this is why there's a good chance he gets taken over Cam/Ausar. Dick is a different type of player, but also a player that will just fit anywhere and can star in his role. Cason is a good bet to contribute early as well. Cam/Ausar are going to to take more development and resources. I feel like the teams directly ahead of us (POR, ORL, IND, WAS) all want to win more games next year than they did this year. Some of them will still be OK with a development project, but I bet one or two will bite on a player who is less of a project.
 
fishonjazz said:
Thats the one. Thanks for the response and good points. I loved him and thought he would be awesome. He sucked. I loved justice winslow too and he sucked. (not sure if he is same level of athlete and broken shot or not too)
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Justice Winslow actually showed quite a bit of potential and improvement over his first 4 seasons. Unfortunately he got bit by the injury bug pretty hard after his 4th season and completely derailed his career. Hard to believe he is still only 27.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It’s always assumed poor shooters will improve… it does not always happen. And I was messing with Cy… I think Walkers defense and passing are better but I’m not sure it will matter if you have to play him with a traditional non shooting center and he doesn’t shoot it really well. It’s kind of a toss up depending on what else you have… like Indiana would be an awesome spot for Walker… Taylor works too.

For us I would prefer the shooter.
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I'm fine with either guy but if I were choosing between the 2 then I probably go with Walker because I'm really confident that he will be a Paul Millsap caliber of player and I think it will happen quickly. He will be a positive impact guy immediately and by year 3 I think he can be the Hawks version of Millsap.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It depends on what you are after. I doubt he is a guy you throw it to and say go get a bucket.

I think he will make plays as a roll man and in the middle of the floor. I think he will be able to do some of the dho stuff Lauri does. I think he can also dribble into some midrange shots if teams go small. The reason he works (if he does) is he provides the unicorn skill set… shooting, rim protection, and being able to switch on the perimeter as needed. Will hopefully allow you to shift up in size or shift down.

If top 25 player is the goal I got really bad news for ya… I doubt there are 3 guys in the top 25 in this draft. Could he be a star in his role like Mikal Bridges? That is the target imo if you draft Taylor. For me the “comp” on Taylor’s median/high outcome is John Collins but if John was elite at the things you value most from him.

The guys with the most creation in that draft range have some other serious limitations.
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I pretty much agree with all of this. I was just curious since I've seen people talk about his high upside, which I interpreted as star potential, which I don't really see with Hendricks.

I do like Hendricks a lot and think he could be super valuable to a team. I don't think you can take him over guys with star potential like Amen and Scoot though.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I pretty much agree with all of this. I was just curious since I've seen people talk about his high upside, which I interpreted as star potential, which I don't really see with Hendricks.

I do like Hendricks a lot and think he could be super valuable to a team. I don't think you can take him over guys with star potential like Amen and Scoot though.
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Oh for sure. I think he is more like 6-12 type of guy on draft boards... those guys are top 5 types.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I'm curious, does the Taylor Hendricks fan club think that he will develop some self creation and play making, or just that it isn't important?

In my opinion these things severely limit his upside. Who is the top player in the NBA right now that can't self create or play make? I don't think you are a top 25 player in the NBA if you can't do any of that.
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I mean lauri is/was kind of like that. Jeremy Grant?
 
fishonjazz said:
I mean lauri is/was kind of like that. Jeremy Grant?
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Lauri and Taylor both kinda had some dunks and three stats that were pretty awesome. Jerami Grant is so unique as a story. I wouldn't have thought he would develop into what he's become... so who knows.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I'm curious, does the Taylor Hendricks fan club think that he will develop some self creation and play making, or just that it isn't important?

In my opinion these things severely limit his upside. Who is the top player in the NBA right now that can't self create or play make? I don't think you are a top 25 player in the NBA if you can't do any of that.
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Anthony Davis really shouldn't take more than two dribbles and he's a clumsy passer. However, since he's 6'10" and super long, he doesn't need to do much other than finish plays. He's also a killer defender when his feet aren't too broken to move.
 
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RyGuy said:
Nope! But I do know what NBA GMs want and desire and I believe Taylor Hendricks offers what their looking for. This may be another hot take but I think the point guard position is going the way of the running back position in the NFL. Teams don't value it much anymore. It's all about size and playmaking wings. So yes I have Hendricks rated over Scoot. Taylor Hendricks can be such a mismatch nightmare at the NBA level. Offensively or defensively. You don't need a traditional point guard in today's NBA. You need size, athleticism, shooting, and defensive switching. All things Taylor Hendricks brings to the table. In 5 years I bet Taylor Hendricks will be a max money contract player and one of the most in demand free agents if he makes it to free agency.
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With all due respect you can see what he does in highlight packages and look at stats, and yes I know there are guys that are missed, but few and far between but if he was that good people that have seen every second of game tape and have seen more than highlight packages would have him in that range over the twins and whoever you’re in love with an idea.
 
No Ceilings guys talking about the twins on this pod. You may not agree with these guys, but they do obviously put a lot of work into forming their opinion so I respect that. I only listened to the Ausar part so far, but here are some notes:

- Ausar defense may be "overated" because he's a gambler who always chases steals....but maybe that's a good thing? -- I actually think this is a good thing.
- OTE often turns into an all star game. If they are scoring 16 a game, 6 of them are coming off easy transition dunks etc.
- Games aren't always competitive because of the all star game setting
- Ausar has less to work on than Amen, lower ceiling but higher floor
- Ausar would be really fun to play with. Knows how to make the right pass and also move off the ball
- Igoudala comparison brought up. ---I brought up this comparison before, I think this is a very high end outcome for him, but still a reasonable comparison. Igoudala was an elite athlete, elite defensive hands, elite basketball IQ, and an outstanding ball handler/playmaker for his size. Ausar is good at all these things, but what happens if he's not elite at all these things like Iggy?
- Defensive hands are elite, but off ball defense can be a mixed bag (bad closeouts)



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqKYW7EQjxg
 
sojodave said:
I'm sold, I think we go all in and move up to get Cam Whitmore. The dude is going to be a stud in the NBA and plays like a taller, stronger Jimmy Butler. Make it HAPPEN DA!!!
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He plays nothing like the current Jimmy Butler and I bet he measures smaller than Butler as well.
 
Is this Murray twin similar to his bro who’s killing it for Sacramento? If so, I want him. He’s everything we wished Rudy Gay was and more.
 
oldtimer said:
Wembi, miller, cam and hendricks. I really really want one of them. Id be very happy come draft night.
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100% agree! I think Cam Whitmore and Brandon Miller will be the next big time wing players in this league. I wonder what it would cost to trade up for either of them. Depending on price this actually might be the way to go rather than trading for a star because these guys will be on a rookie contract and controllable for at least what 7 years before they become unrestricted free agents
 
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