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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Handlogten's Heros said:
I could see that.. might depend on how Wiz view Herro. Philly only has one pick to offer and I would not trade Maxey if I was them.
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They could do some combination of a 2024 pick swap, 2029 pick swap and 2030 1st or 2029 1st and 2030 pick swap. Not sure that’s enough but that Beal contract is going to be really scary.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The quickness that a player gets off the floor or their first step is something the combine doesn’t (can’t?) measure. So what you get are a lot of weird athletic testing info that doesn’t actually apply like Grayson Allen being an explosive athlete but you never really ever see it in a game.

Black’s measured athleticism and his functional athleticism doesn’t match up to me. What I see is that he needs to load up to get that burst and that fraction of a second can mean a lot.
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What do you want to be the result of Blacks athleticism? He's a great stocks guy, gets to the basket as much as anyone, rebounds well etc. These are all things I associate with functional athleticism. The only mark I'd have against his athleticism is that he can get blown by a lot by being too upright, but that's more of a technique thing imo.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The quickness that a player gets off the floor or their first step is something the combine doesn’t (can’t?) measure. So what you get are a lot of weird athletic testing info that doesn’t actually apply like Grayson Allen being an explosive athlete but you never really ever see it in a game.

Black’s measured athleticism and his functional athleticism doesn’t match up to me. What I see is that he needs to load up to get that burst and that fraction of a second can mean a lot. He can get up with enough time but the quickness is probably more important most of the time to my eyes.
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Have you watched any Black film? Sounds like you’re getting him confused with someone else.
 
KqWIN said:
What do you want to be the result of Blacks athleticism? He's a great stocks guy, gets to the basket more than anyone, rebounds well etc. These are all things I associate with functional athleticism. The only mark I'd have against his athleticism is that he can get blown by a lot by being too upright, but that's more of a technique thing imo.
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The result I am looking for is impact in the NBA. His quickness works fine at that level at his size but I am skeptical it will be a great strength at the NBA level.

Also, the original question was what Ausar provides better than Black, and he moves spectacularly.
 
Elizah Huge said:
They could do some combination of a 2024 pick swap, 2029 pick swap and 2030 1st or 2029 1st and 2030 pick swap. Not sure that’s enough but that Beal contract is going to be really scary.
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And Tobias would give them a get out of jail free card. Just feels like Wiz could do better maybe. That Philly team likely sucks in 29-30 as the process 2.0 would be upon them by then.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The result I am looking for is impact in the NBA. His quickness works fine at that level at his size but I am skeptical it will be a great strength at the NBA level.

Also, the original question was what Ausar provides better than Black, and he moves spectacularly.
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He is outstanding at almost all the things that athleticism is supposed to lead to. I do think his POA defense is a tad overrated....but when I think about guys who make an impact with their athleticism I'm looking at guys who can get to the basket, get rebounds, and be a defensive playmaker. I don't know what he can do to prove that his athleticism is more functional because he's great at all that.

If he was averaging 3 rebounds per40, no steals, and never got to the basket I could see it....but he's on the opposite end of the spectrum.
 
Heard some interesting things yesterday that kind of stuck... The really good two guard without ideal positional size but can't play the 1 is the new offense only big... lots of them and they limit you in some capacity. Simons, Poole, Herro, JC, Sexton, etc. I would avoid guys that would fall into this trap... NSJ, Keyonte, maybe even Bufkin (although the defense is solid/good) if you don't believe in him as a pg. Also I think it gives some value to bigger pgs that can make these types more playable/functional. Black, Ausar may have some of this, Amen, and maybe JHS (not a fan but I get it), Jones, all might have some value in making these types work.

There is also the high end of this player type like Donovan... but we saw some of those limitations. Just a thought
 
NUMBERICA said:
So I’m now finally taking a deeper dive into the players projected later in the draft and some are started to jump out to me. I think there are guys worth drafting and just seeing if it works. As already mentioned, there are a couple of teams like Charlotte and Indiana that might rather do something other than draft four guys in the later part of the draft.

Jalen Picket is interesting to me. Isaiah Wong might be there at 55 (the Pacers 5th pick this year). Judah Mintz might go undrafted. AJJ could be a lot of fun if the Jazz really devote themselves to spacing bigs besides Kessler.

Some interesting players out there.
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take a look at taevion kinsey. he's a bad mfer
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Heard some interesting things yesterday that kind of stuck... The really good two guard without ideal positional size but can't play the 1 is the new offense only big... lots of them and they limit you in some capacity. Simons, Poole, Herro, JC, Sexton, etc. I would avoid guys that would fall into this trap... NSJ, Keyonte, maybe even Bufkin (although the defense is solid/good) if you don't believe in him as a pg. Also I think it gives some value to bigger pgs that can make these types more playable/functional. Black, Ausar may have some of this, Amen, and maybe JHS (not a fan but I get it), Jones, all might have some value in making these types work.

There is also the high end of this player type like Donovan... but we saw some of those limitations. Just a thought
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iow, if you're under 6'5", you'd better be able to legit play lead guard.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
iow, if you're under 6'5", you'd better be able to legit play lead guard.
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And those guys have real value as bench pieces I think… I’m also still interested in Simons to see if he could be a lead guard… but this draft seems to have a lot of that player type.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Heard some interesting things yesterday that kind of stuck... The really good two guard without ideal positional size but can't play the 1 is the new offense only big... lots of them and they limit you in some capacity. Simons, Poole, Herro, JC, Sexton, etc. I would avoid guys that would fall into this trap... NSJ, Keyonte, maybe even Bufkin (although the defense is solid/good) if you don't believe in him as a pg. Also I think it gives some value to bigger pgs that can make these types more playable/functional. Black, Ausar may have some of this, Amen, and maybe JHS (not a fan but I get it), Jones, all might have some value in making these types work.

There is also the high end of this player type like Donovan... but we saw some of those limitations. Just a thought
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Counterpoint.....I would compare them to the roll man/drop coverage big. I think the cat has been out of the bag that these guys are not ideal in every context. But these guys can still help you, and you could argue that they have been somewhat underrated in the draft. A lot of the guys you listed highly outperformed their draft position. I think we all kinda expect Derrick Lively, for example, to be a good player and outperform his draft position. There's a reason why he won't be draft higher, he's not ideal/good fit for everyone, but it doesn't change his chances of being a solid player.

They are not ideal players, but they may be more likely to overperform their draft position because everyone knows that they are less than ideal. The other side of this would be that you are more likely to get a bust if you try to find the perfect player because the chances of that perfect player are slim.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And those guys have real value as bench pieces I think… I’m also still interested in Simons to see if he could be a lead guard… but this draft seems to have a lot of that player type.
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agreed. there is absolutely a place for those guys - usually as sixth men types, but they are always going to be limited in terms of ceiling and their ability to impact winning. defense is usually an issue with them and they tend be mediocre from an efficiency standpoint.

and kqwin makes a good point - nba teams should be careful to not undervalue them due to their downsides as they do often outplay their draft position.
 
Interesting intel from Stein. We should all be mentally prepared to take Bilal in the top 10. Feels like a reach, but if they like him that much I definitely would talk myself into it, especially with our development staff. I just hope Ainge doesn't have Giannis PTSD and is just determined to not get burned again, even if he doesn't think Bilal is all that.

Bilal and Keyonte would feel like a very odd, aimless draft. Especially if we used 28 to move up from 16 to get George. Settle in for a nice long rebuild if that's what happens.

Edit: The real issue with Bilal at 9 is that it's literally impossible for there not to be a guy I really like at 9. Even at 10 it makes way more sense, but passing on Black, Hendricks, or someone else who fell there is a tough sell. Get that Mavs pick!
 
KqWIN said:
Counterpoint.....I would compare them to the roll man/drop coverage big. I think the cat has been out of the bag that these guys are not ideal in every context. But these guys can still help you, and you could argue that they have been somewhat underrated in the draft. A lot of the guys you listed highly outperformed their draft position. I think we all kinda expect Derrick Lively, for example, to be a good player and outperform his draft position. There's a reason why he won't be draft higher, he's not ideal/good fit for everyone, but it doesn't change his chances of being a solid player.

They are not ideal players, but they may be more likely to overperform their draft position because everyone knows that they are less than ideal. The other side of this would be that you are more likely to get a bust if you try to find the perfect player because the chances of that perfect player are slim.
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I get it... I would just be mindful of the "trap" and be grooming them to be a lead guard from day 1... would also want to make sure they have some playmaking potential. Some of these guys were kinda forced into non-pg duties with the stars on their teams.

Was just a thought... I wouldn't be rushing to those player types as you can likely acquire the finished product regardless of where they were drafted. At 16 I'd be good betting on one of those guys. At #9 we should have better options.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Interesting intel from Stein. We should all be mentally prepared to take Bilal in the top 10. Feels like a reach, but if they like him that much I definitely would talk myself into it, especially with our development staff. I just hope Ainge doesn't have Giannis PTSD and is just determined to not get burned again, even if he doesn't think Bilal is all that.

Bilal and Keyonte would feel like a very odd, aimless draft. Especially if we used 28 to move up from 16 to get George. Settle in for a nice long rebuild if that's what happens.

Edit: The real issue with Bilal at 9 is that it's literally impossible for there not to be a guy I really like at 9. Even at 10 it makes way more sense, but passing on Black, Hendricks, or someone else who fell there is a tough sell. Get that Mavs pick!
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It's likely smokescreen with the name used this early, but could be legit.
 
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