It’s the truth….draft expectations are way too high.
2023 NBA Draft Megathread
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It’s the truth….draft expectations are way too high.
And he’s not small.
Bawse Dawg
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To me he looks like a cerebral player and a ****ing beast. People would moan about what we gave up until about 60 seconds into the first summer league game. He is going to be very good and entertaining as hell.
I get what you are saying but that type of athleticism I kind of expected them to at least bump up their %s by breaking the paint and going to the rim a bunch...
seattlejazzfan
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problem is, it wasn't just 15 year old boozer (the thompson twins are 20 so regardless of how good he is, the difference between 20 and 15 at that age is HUGE), it was his entire team. they took the dreamerz to the woodshed. i keep mentioning it because it is highly relevant in terms of perspective when discussing the OTE. the OTE is equivalent to a really good high school team, just beneath the elite HS teams around the country. and the thompson twins were 20 playing in that league.
you don't have to like it, but it's reality.
Jazz draft article posted locally in Utah last night. https://www.deseret.com/2023/6/13/23753965/who-could-utah-jazz-select-with-no-9-pick-in-nba-draft
He did the same thing when we traded our pick for George Hill. Maybe that's the new #LockeWatch hint... look for us trading the picks for a vet... Lillard?
Bawse Dawg
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In these weird *** leagues, and even college, the most misleading thing when looking at draft prospects is probably the most common stats we all look at to evaluate players.
Coach Ellis
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Thompson Twins are still my biggest concerns in the top 10. I love the physical profile, but they just struggle so much shooting the ball. I’m worried if the Jazz take one of them that we’ll look back and think it should’ve been easy to predict getting a Michael Kidd-Gillchrist type player. Hope I’m wrong, but man their shooting is just painful to watch sometimes.
From the latest DX mock from Givony/Woo:
Amen and Cam seem to be the two players in play at 4 to HOU.
Jarace has a small range of 5/7/9.
Walker/Ausar/Hendricks are IND’s top-3 candidates for 7 per Givony.
WAS is targeting a guard at 8.
Black’s ceiling appears to be 6 to ORL.
UTA is targeting a gifted forward with defensive versatility with our top-2 candidates being Jarace and Hendricks. However that plan could change if Black falls to 9 as Givony says he’s high on our draft board.
Lively’s range is 10-15 and it is unlikely he falls out of the lottery at the moment.
Dicks’s range is a bit wider than initially expected.
Bufkin has a lot of interest and is being selective where he works out. He’s a name to watch as someone who could rise higher before draft night with his ceiling being 8 to WAS.
UTA and OKC sent decision makers to Monaco this week specifically to get another look at Bilal.
Cason has one of the biggest draft ranges out of everyone. It starts with WAS at 8 and goes through the late teens.
UTA is high on Hawkins. We could move around in multiple scenarios with the picks we have.
NSJ draft range at the top is 8/11/13/14 and goes into the late teens. He is drawing serious interest at 11/13/14.
Howard’s draft range starts at 11, TOR at 13 and UTA at 16 will consider taking him.
Keyonte also has wide draft range from 11-21.
It sounds like we are targeting Jarace/Hendricks at 9 and a shooter at 16 if we stand pat. Black falling to 9 could change our plans. It also sounds like we’re taking a long look at Bilal.
These are the most likely scenarios currently in my opinion:
Jarace/Hendricks/Black at 9
Dick/Hawkins/Jett at 16
Potential trade up to 10 to get Bilal if Black falls to 9?
Amen and Cam seem to be the two players in play at 4 to HOU.
Jarace has a small range of 5/7/9.
Walker/Ausar/Hendricks are IND’s top-3 candidates for 7 per Givony.
WAS is targeting a guard at 8.
Black’s ceiling appears to be 6 to ORL.
UTA is targeting a gifted forward with defensive versatility with our top-2 candidates being Jarace and Hendricks. However that plan could change if Black falls to 9 as Givony says he’s high on our draft board.
Lively’s range is 10-15 and it is unlikely he falls out of the lottery at the moment.
Dicks’s range is a bit wider than initially expected.
Bufkin has a lot of interest and is being selective where he works out. He’s a name to watch as someone who could rise higher before draft night with his ceiling being 8 to WAS.
UTA and OKC sent decision makers to Monaco this week specifically to get another look at Bilal.
Cason has one of the biggest draft ranges out of everyone. It starts with WAS at 8 and goes through the late teens.
UTA is high on Hawkins. We could move around in multiple scenarios with the picks we have.
NSJ draft range at the top is 8/11/13/14 and goes into the late teens. He is drawing serious interest at 11/13/14.
Howard’s draft range starts at 11, TOR at 13 and UTA at 16 will consider taking him.
Keyonte also has wide draft range from 11-21.
It sounds like we are targeting Jarace/Hendricks at 9 and a shooter at 16 if we stand pat. Black falling to 9 could change our plans. It also sounds like we’re taking a long look at Bilal.
These are the most likely scenarios currently in my opinion:
Jarace/Hendricks/Black at 9
Dick/Hawkins/Jett at 16
Potential trade up to 10 to get Bilal if Black falls to 9?
At the risk of belaboring this point because darft szn gets people wild about unrealistic expectations of measurements:
Scoot is the same size or slightly bigger than Russell Westbrook. I have never heard anyone say Russ was a small guard before.
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Trading up to get Scoot is still my preferred outcome from the draft. Second would probably be trading up to draft Cam. 3rd would be drafting Wallace, somewhere.
Praying Midricks goes ahead of Walker
Huge thanks for the summary
I never personally bought the idea that we have to or will draft a PG. I still believe our FO is higher on Sexton than being reported.
Not a lot of talk surrounding Wallace/JHS/Bufkin to us right now. Could obviously be a smokescreen though.
We also could have different plans to get a PG in FA.
Not a lot of talk surrounding Wallace/JHS/Bufkin to us right now. Could obviously be a smokescreen though.
We also could have different plans to get a PG in FA.
RandyForRubio
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Walker would be a dream.
I think Black goes top 8, meaning we take whoever falls between Ausar/Walker/Hendricks. I'm ok with that, but gutted that we won't get Bilal
Sounds like Ausar likely doesn’t fall past 7. It also sounds like we could trade up for Bilal if Black falls to us at 9.
FYI, Coach Spins posted a new draft video overnight breaking down teams in the northwest division The Jazz part starts at 9:08
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6vLr8YRKA
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6vLr8YRKA
Bawse Dawg
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Thanks for the summary. Seems this place is pretty on the money with what the actual decision makers are considering.