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Jazz trade for John Collins

Keefe said:
We won 37 games last year despite semi tanking at the end. Maybe we won’t win 50 now but by adding Collins, and with some organic growth, there’s no reason to think we couldn’t win 47-48 this year and 50+ after.
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Only two teams hit 50 wins in the western conference last year. I think 47-48 is like the upper end of where we could end up... unless there is another big deal. 50 wins will be like top 3 in the conference going forward imo... I think we are a 5-6 seed on the high end and a lower play in team on the low end... good health assumed.

That's all I'm saying I guess... 50 wins gonna be different going forward.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Overall I like the move if you are sure you can rehab JCs value.

You got to remember in 2-3 years half our roster could be trade fodder for a superstar. You got to stack the roster as much as possible with good players until then.
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5 minutes ago you wanted two firsts for him...
 
PresidioTrojan said:
Pretty sure I like this one. Humongous contract, yes, but we basically got a very good young player for free. He was square-peg-in-round-hole last year in Atlanta - 100% chance he's better in SLC.

Also smells like a precursor to a different, bigger move. Maybe we sell high on Lauri or Walker this offseason in a mega-star trade. Who knows.
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He’s not good
 
stitches said:
Kind of feels like yet another reclamation project and a possible tradable contract in case a big fish is on the market and we need non-essential players to be included as salary ballast.
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This is exactly it. Cost the Jazz nothing, they rehab his value, he's an excellent trade asset even before he becomes an expiring. And good salary to trade if any Slovenian superstars become available in the summer of '24, the chances of which I consider to be around 60%.
 
11 pages already? lol

My initial reaction is similar to my initial THT reaction. I think we probably should have gotten more for taking on long term salary, but overall I think the Jazz are in a better spot than they were before the trade. I've always liked Collins and you have to feel confident that his value will improve, that's the benefit of trading for a guy on rock bottom value. A Collins-Lauri-Hendricks froncourt is a dream scenario for Collins. Obviously he'll play with Kessler too, but you cannot draw up a better situation for him to succeed.

I guess the big question is, can he shoot? Was it a bad year, or was it because he has 9 fingers now. Will he ever have 10 fingers again? I don't know the answers to these things so I won't speculate.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
How is this high risk? Next season Collins' salary will be around 1/6th of the salary cap. We still have every opportunity to R&E Lauri next off season and at the following trade deadline, we have matching salary, young players and a lot of picks to trade for a real difference maker.
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It is not HIGH risk but like I said the risk/reward is off for me. If he plays well and his value increases how much can we get for him in trade. If we are keeping him for 3/75M there is an opportunity cost there. If he struggles (he's had a myriad of small injuries) to stay on the court you have a bad contract that will hurt future flexibility. If Hendricks is good you end up putting JC on the bench at some point... that's a great problem to have but not ideal.

There is enough risk there I wanted something to take the deal on... that is where the money is made on this deal imo.
 
I bet he has a maybe 3 good games all season that resemble his paycheck, or better yet, has none and Hendricks pushes this clown to the bench just like he deserves lol
I hate when people ignore his game is all about athleticism, and he had to use methods unacceptable to the league to be better than his peers. Now he is not using said enhancers and his game is flashes of it's former glory.
 
Keefe said:
We won 37 games last year despite semi tanking at the end. Maybe we won’t win 50 now but by adding Collins, and with some organic growth, there’s no reason to think we couldn’t win 47-48 this year and 50+ after.
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You really need to actually pay attention to the other western conference teams as well. We aren't winning 47 game next year or even close to it based on the current roster. The west is brutal and I still think we are a bottom 5 team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Overall I like the move if you are sure you can rehab JCs value.

You got to remember in 2-3 years half our roster could be trade fodder for a superstar. You got to stack the roster as much as possible with good players until then.
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Agreed.

I think he's taking the Masai path in Toronto who accumulated enough talent to strike for a big star like Kawhi which ofc led to a ring. I'm assuming most of us would be cool with that outcome although I'd prefer not to lose the star after one season.
 
sip said:
You really need to actually pay attention to the other western conference teams as well. We aren't winning 47 game next year or even close to it based on the current roster. The west is brutal and I still think we are a bottom 5 team.
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not to mention the majority of the success was before deadline trades
 
KqWIN said:
11 pages already? lol

My initial reaction is similar to my initial THT reaction. I think we probably should have gotten more for taking on long term salary, but overall I think the Jazz are in a better spot than they were before the trade. I've always liked Collins and you have to feel confident that his value will improve, that's the benefit of trading for a guy on rock bottom value. A Collins-Lauri-Hendricks froncourt is a dream scenario for Collins. Obviously he'll play with Kessler too, but you cannot draw up a better situation for him to succeed.

I guess the big question is, can he shoot? Was it a bad year, or was it because he has 9 fingers now. Will he ever have 10 fingers again? I don't know the answers to these things so I won't speculate.
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I have a similar feel... one thing I'd caution though... his value being rock bottom. If he plays the same as he did last year his value goes down... the case is he was used wrong the finger... yada yada... that stuff is gone if he doesn't play better (he'd have one year less on his deal so maybe not a ton less value). Just think this is his current rock bottom... doesn't mean he couldn't drop further.
 
KqWIN said:
11 pages already? lol

My initial reaction is similar to my initial THT reaction. I think we probably should have gotten more for taking on long term salary, but overall I think the Jazz are in a better spot than they were before the trade. I've always liked Collins and you have to feel confident that his value will improve, that's the benefit of trading for a guy on rock bottom value. A Collins-Lauri-Hendricks froncourt is a dream scenario for Collins. Obviously he'll play with Kessler too, but you cannot draw up a better situation for him to succeed.

I guess the big question is, can he shoot? Was it a bad year, or was it because he has 9 fingers now. Will he ever have 10 fingers again? I don't know the answers to these things so I won't speculate.
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For me the biggest question is - can we really not do any better than this in FA? Is this the best player we can get for 25M a year over the next 3 years?
 
I thought I trolled this forum. Either people on this forum are delusional/just want the Jazz to legitimately lose every game, or the organization can't do the couch warriors what they want.

This off-season has already been a homerun for the Jazz. We don't have to watch Gay 15-20 minutes a game, we got a 25 year old for him. We've added a lot of young, athletic talent, that can shoot, and it's not even July 1st. Ya'll need to stop trolling so hard
 
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