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SoberasHotRod said:
We can obviously blow any Heat deal out of the water.

Who else would we realistically be competing against that could give more than the Heat?

We just need to beat the next best offer.
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Brooklyn… they have three Phoenix firsts in 25/27/29 plus a 2027 Philadelphia 1st top-8 protected, plus a 2029 Dallas 1st.

Their 2025/2027 own firsts can be swapped by Houston. They own their 2028/2029/2030 firsts as well as a 2028 Phoenix pick swap.

They have a lot of ammo for sure.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Brooklyn… they have three Phoenix firsts in 25/27/29 plus a 2027 Philadelphia 1st top-8 protected, plus a 2029 Dallas 1st.

Their 2025/2027 own firsts can be swapped by Houston. They own their 2028/2029/2030 firsts as well as a 2028 Phoenix pick swap.

They have a lot of ammo for sure.
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Brooklyn’s planning on trading for Mitchell next year though. Gotta save some draft capital to swing that trade.
 
Realistically, the Jazz are probably going to not get Lillard, and they’ll consolidate THT and Olynyk into one player on a slightly longer contract to have more stuff to trade with later.

I’m expecting them to go hard for Doncic or Brown.
 
Coach Ellis said:
Realistically, the Jazz are probably going to not get Lillard, and they’ll consolidate THT and Olynyk into one player on a slightly longer contract to have more stuff to trade with later.

I’m expecting them to go hard for Doncic or Brown.
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I think we can do a reasonable trade for Lillard where we still having assets to trade for another star.

Sexton, THT, Sensabaugh, Olynyk, Cavs 25 (unprotected), ours 25 (unprotected), Lakers 27 (top4 protected), ours 29 (top 5 protected, then becomes 30 top 5 protected, then a 2030 second). Get Lillard and Nurkic for backup center, Blazers can still redirect Sexton and Olynyk to the Bucks (or somewhere else) for another assets (maybe Allen and Connaughton for another "lightly tho less lightly than ours 29" protected 1st ?).

We'd still keep George, Hendricks, Kessler and Agbaji of our main younger players. Also Wolves 25, 27 and 29 (top protected), Cavs 27 and 29, ours 26 and 28 picks (we need them to keep the swap rights with cavs and wolves).
 
rjfan said:
I think we can do a reasonable trade for Lillard where we still having assets to trade for another star.

Sexton, THT, Sensabaugh, Olynyk, Cavs 25 (unprotected), ours 25 (unprotected), Lakers 27 (top4 protected), ours 29 (top 5 protected, then becomes 30 top 5 protected, then a 2030 second). Get Lillard and Nurkic for backup center, Blazers can still redirect Sexton and Olynyk to the Bucks (or somewhere else) for another assets (maybe Allen and Connaughton for another "lightly tho less lightly than ours 29" protected 1st ?).

We'd still keep George, Hendricks, Kessler and Agbaji of our main younger players. Also Wolves 25, 27 and 29 (top protected), Cavs 27 and 29, ours 26 and 28 picks (we need them to keep the swap rights with cavs and wolves).
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That’s way too much to trade for Damian Lillard right now. If he was younger? Sure. Send that much.

But there’s no reason to outbid ourselves. That’s pretty much what kind of haul I’m expecting an offer for Doncic to end up looking like. Jazz don’t want to send out too much now and then get outbid for the real prize when it matters.

Either get him for a reasonable deal, or let someone else overpay like that.
 
Coach Ellis said:
That’s way too much to trade for Damian Lillard right now. If he was younger? Sure. Send that much.

But there’s no reason to outbid ourselves. That’s pretty much what kind of haul I’m expecting an offer for Doncic to end up looking like. Jazz don’t want to send out too much now and then get outbid for the real prize when it matters.

Either get him for a reasonable deal, or let someone else overpay like that.
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That's for sure a big haul, but one where we would be keeping our best assets (our most valuable picks from Wolves and Cavs deals and higher upside and imediate impact younger players and rookies) and tradeable players/contracts outside of the deal, while lining up a team that could already fight for homecourt advantage (and maybe even make some other smaller free agency aquisitions) with potential for a deep playoff run. If a Doncic level player got available later on we could center a deal around Collins, some other younger rotational pieces and the all of the rest of them higher upside Cavs and Wolves picks.

Also there should be other teams than just the Heat to beat for Dame. His list also included the Nets (many picks and tradeable contracts to offer), Celtics ain't on his list, but can offer up to 3 firsts and other tradeable players. And possibly others, cause he's a baller.
 
Coach Ellis said:
Realistically, the Jazz are probably going to not get Lillard, and they’ll consolidate THT and Olynyk into one player on a slightly longer contract to have more stuff to trade with later.

I’m expecting them to go hard for Doncic or Brown.
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Doncic would be ideal. But when/if he becomes available...
 
Flc said:
Tyler Herro changed his social media from “Miami Heat Guard” for whatever that’s worth.
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He’s kinda the key to the deal… if he can get a first somewhere they might pull it off… if not then the Miami offer kinda stinks. I wonder if you routed Herro and Jacquez to Brooklyn if that is good enough for them to send two firsts and Ben Simmons. So Portland gets 4 firsts and Lowry/Simmons for Dame and Nurkic. The Simmons contract sucks obviously but it’s only two years long.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He’s kinda the key to the deal… if he can get a first somewhere they might pull it off… if not then the Miami offer kinda stinks. I wonder if you routed Herro and Jacquez to Brooklyn if that is good enough for them to send two firsts and Ben Simmons. So Portland gets 4 firsts and Lowry/Simmons for Dame and Nurkic. The Simmons contract sucks obviously but it’s only two years long.
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If you’re Portland you’ve got to be absolutely stupid to take the Heats deal over our deal.

No contest.
 
rjfan said:
I think we can do a reasonable trade for Lillard where we still having assets to trade for another star.

Sexton, THT, Sensabaugh, Olynyk, Cavs 25 (unprotected), ours 25 (unprotected), Lakers 27 (top4 protected), ours 29 (top 5 protected, then becomes 30 top 5 protected, then a 2030 second). Get Lillard and Nurkic for backup center, Blazers can still redirect Sexton and Olynyk to the Bucks (or somewhere else) for another assets (maybe Allen and Connaughton for another "lightly tho less lightly than ours 29" protected 1st ?).

We'd still keep George, Hendricks, Kessler and Agbaji of our main younger players. Also Wolves 25, 27 and 29 (top protected), Cavs 27 and 29, ours 26 and 28 picks (we need them to keep the swap rights with cavs and wolves).
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There is 0 reason to send any of our own picks and they are not more valuable than the unprotected picks we own from the Cavs or Wolves. They are extremely valuable to US because we could still tank, essentially, but they’re not more valuable to other teams.

Also, we don’t need to bid against ourselves. And everyone, we’d have a two-year window most likely so just factor that in.
 
ONE LOVE said:
If you’re Portland you’ve got to be absolutely stupid to take the Heats deal over our deal.

No contest.
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They are not taking any meh deal from Miami anyway, and nothing we offer is going to keep LM on this roster without getting outbid either. Our picks won't be good in Portland's eyes if that is all they want is picks, especially given the picks that we have that are not ours are getting worse and worse, The Wolves are still fringe 500 and probably better etc. Cavs are on the rise. Our only real assets are current roster stand outs that Portland would take over say Memphis with JA and picks, NY with any guard and picks, OKC with 2 or 3 young players and picks, hell even ORL and SAS are just as in play if not more than us, from a pick value standpoint if we are unwilling to send LM.
All that being said I like Memphis as the sleeper team to trade Morant and some picks for Dame. Can you imagine a Ja and Scoot backcourt holy shot
 
SoberasHotRod said:
We can obviously blow any Heat deal out of the water.

Who else would we realistically be competing against that could give more than the Heat?

We just need to beat the next best offer.
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Be careful with that, the Knicks thought that too and got blindsided.
 
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