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What Price Should the Jazz Extend THT?

HermanG said:
I mean I get you like THT and I'm beginning to see some reasons to keep him as well, but you gotta be realistic. If we keep him it would be "despite his poor 3P shooting".

All he shoots is open shots. He has taken 529 three point shots in his career:
1 has come against very tight coverage (0-2f t)
16 have come against tight coverage (2-4 ft)
172 have been open (4-6 ft)
340 have been wide open (6+ ft)

On wide open shots alone, he is 29.4% with 100/340.

For reference, here are all splits from his career based on closest defender:
2022-23
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2021-22
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Sad to see one poster hating on so much talent
 
HermanG said:
The man who called himself "the most objective poster on the board" dislikes and calls out a post that is 100% based on career stats.

It would be nice if you went out and bought a dictionary.
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Stats are flawed and you are using **** from when he was 18 years old. He's different now and he's been proving he can shoot consistently for the last 10 months. Stop hating.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Stats are flawed and you are using **** from when he was 18 years old. He's different now and he's been proving he can shoot consistently for the last 10 months. Stop hating.
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Lmao brother. He had his best 3P% in his rookie year. His 2nd year was on par with his 4th. 3rd year was worse but we can ignore that if you want.

In fact, exclude any 3 years from his 4 year career and he is still bad. As long as you have to count a full year its bad.

Its not hating since I'm just objective. Also if I was hating on the guy, then why am I leaning on extending? Explain that you genious.
 
HermanG said:
Lmao brother. He had his best 3P% in his rookie year. His 2nd year was on par with his 4th. 3rd year was worse but we can ignore that if you want.

In fact, exclude any 3 years from his 4 year career and he is still bad. As long as you have to count a full year its bad.

Its not hating since I'm just objective. Also if I was hating on the guy, then why am I leaning on extending? Explain that you genious.
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The facts are he has been balling since 2023. Continue to doubt. It's not going to look good for you.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The facts are he has been balling since 2023. Continue to doubt. It's not going to look good for you.
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Well if I'm wrong and he has turned into a 35% shooter under our coaching staff then I'm just happy to be wrong.

But if you extend him now, you extend him as a bad 3P shooter.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Step outside of your schtick for a second. THT opted in to 11M for one year this off-season. If he thought he could get ANYWHERE near 4/60M this off-season he would have opted out.

So explain to me how being the only team willing to give him that deal is getting value.
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He opted in because he wanted to prove himself this year. He is doing that. He loves it in Utah. Utah needs to reward him for his hard work.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He opted in because he wanted to prove himself this year. He is doing that. He loves it in Utah. Utah needs to reward him for his hard work.
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I believe everyone would be thrilled for THT to turn into a 50% / 40% guy. If he achieves that he will be a great player who is worth the money you are suggesting.

But, the reality is that he has been a poor shooter / finisher from everywhere on the court.

Even the tail end of last season when he got a lot more burn I don’t think his percentages sky rocketed, but I’m also admitting that I don’t care enough to go double check… so please hit me with the data.

He has been much more efficient this year, but you don’t offer an extension based on three preseason games. If he keeps it up I’m willing to buy into THT island, and I truly do hope he keeps it up.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He opted in because he wanted to prove himself this year. He is doing that. He loves it in Utah. Utah needs to reward him for his hard work.
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Bro... no one is ponying up 60M based on pre-season... "proving it" happens when meaningful basketball happens. Unless he signs for 4/40 (an offer you called insulting) there is no upside in an extension. In 2-3 months you can give him that... after he's actually proved it.

You are basing him proving it on 3 pre-season games... let me show you how small that sample size is... in one game he banked in a three... go ahead and take that away and he goes from 46/40 shooting splits to 43/33... one would be great... the other bad... One you might be able to justify 4/60+ the other you might not even want 4/40.

Just let it play out... extension offers should be very team friendly or else you just wait.
 
Pinhead said:
I believe everyone would be thrilled for THT to turn into a 50% / 40% guy. If he achieves that he will be a great player who is worth the money you are suggesting.

But, the reality is that he has been a poor shooter / finisher from everywhere on the court.

Even the tail end of last season when he got a lot more burn I don’t think his percentages sky rocketed, but I’m also admitting that I don’t care enough to go double check… so please hit me with the data.

He has been much more efficient this year, but you don’t offer an extension based on three preseason games. If he keeps it up I’m willing to buy into THT island, and I truly do hope he keeps it up.
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THT had the 4th worst TS% in the league last year. I know everyone likes to dice up the schedule to make that look better but that's not wise. Ricky Rubio would have some gnarly swings that would make him look like Steve Nash in some segments of the schedule.

Let the guy prove it (and no 3 pre-season games is not proving it) unless he wants to take something "insulting".
 
Even THT's post AS break TS% would land him in the bottom 20 of the league.

I'm glad he is trending the right way (maybe? when you take the banked three away his percentages are close to last year). He seems to be playing with more control... But there is no need to propose on the first date here.
 
I wouldn't hand him 4/$60 right now, but I don't think it's so outlandish if they think he's similar or perhaps even better than Sexton. While we only have insight to three preseason games, the Jazz have more insight to into his development this summer and play in camp. I think Sexton is on a good, tradable deal (originally 4/$72)....so if you think they are similar at all 4/$60 cannot be seen as that outlandish. . 4/$60 (team option last year) seems to be the structure of the deal as it's just above the full MLE. Not saying the Jazz are going to offer it, but that's probably what it would take.

It's risky as he's not really even established himself as a full time rotation player, but if he's truly improved his decision making and/or shooting it could be a steal. I don't think a deal get done because it somewhat requires the team to believe in the player more than the player himself.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
THT had the 4th worst TS% in the league last year. I know everyone likes to dice up the schedule to make that look better but that's not wise. Ricky Rubio would have some gnarly swings that would make him look like Steve Nash in some segments of the schedule.

Let the guy prove it (and no 3 pre-season games is not proving it) unless he wants to take something "insulting".
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Did you know that if you remove the games where he shot less than 40% (since he won't do that anymore) and removed games where everyone else shot above 40% (since some of those are inflated with things like banked threes and garbage time), then THT is actually the most efficient player in the association last year? You wanna low ball that guy?
 
infection said:
Did you know that if you remove the games where he shot less than 40% (since he won't do that anymore) and removed games where everyone else shot above 40% (since some of those are inflated with things like banked threes and garbage time), then THT is actually the most efficient player in the association last year? You wanna low ball that guy?
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You know, based on that, so am I! If you, you know, exclude everyone who plays in the NBA anyway
 
infection said:
Did you know that if you remove the games where he shot less than 40% (since he won't do that anymore) and removed games where everyone else shot above 40% (since some of those are inflated with things like banked threes and garbage time), then THT is actually the most efficient player in the association last year? You wanna low ball that guy?
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This literally made me lol. Well done.
 
Sometimes I wonder if we’re talking about the same guy. THT last year as a starter in the back half of the season:

43.4% from the field on 15.6 FGA per game, 30.8% from 3 on 4.6 3PTA per game and to top it off 3.6 TO per game.

Sign me up for 4/80M.
 
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