Matthews was an undrafted rookie who was "hungry" and definitely put in the effort on the court to get an bump in pay, but 5 years @ $5M per avg. is overpaying in terms of dollars and years. A Morrow contract is more in line to his worth.
Mathews signs offer sheet w/Blazers (5 yrs/34 mil)
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Matthews was an undrafted rookie who was "hungry" and definitely put in the effort on the court to get an bump in pay, but 5 years @ $5M per avg. is overpaying in terms of dollars and years. A Morrow contract is more in line to his worth.
Chad Feldheimer
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Why does it seem like Jazz fans think their own players are willing to take million less to stay in SLC? Especially when 99% of them aren't from here anyway.
Argh. 5 years 25 million... Well, what would we have offered WM? Probably around 3 to 3.5 million a year? Let's compare this to other current/former guys:
Brewer - 2.7 million (according to ESPN)
Korver - 5 million
Miles - 3.7 million
I'm kind of of the fence with this. There are other decent players who would probably sign for 5 million a year. And who knows who would be included if we made a trade? If we did trade for Gortat and they offered us sombody else, a guy like Pietrus could step in for Matthews. Though we don't know how good Matthews could get, that's the thing. Hmmm... we have a week to match, so if nothing happens, we probably should take Matthews back. Though if we can sign someone better for 5 million per year like a Morrow, that would rule. He's like KK, but better.
Brewer - 2.7 million (according to ESPN)
Korver - 5 million
Miles - 3.7 million
I'm kind of of the fence with this. There are other decent players who would probably sign for 5 million a year. And who knows who would be included if we made a trade? If we did trade for Gortat and they offered us sombody else, a guy like Pietrus could step in for Matthews. Though we don't know how good Matthews could get, that's the thing. Hmmm... we have a week to match, so if nothing happens, we probably should take Matthews back. Though if we can sign someone better for 5 million per year like a Morrow, that would rule. He's like KK, but better.
Chad Feldheimer
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You're wrong. He is worth what he got offered. At least to somebody and that's all that really counts.
Listen, I'm not saying they should have gone out and made ridiculous offers to these guys because they couldn't, I get that, but they at least could have tried rather than waving the white flag without even putting up a fight. They lost his number? Really? That, to me, is pathetic. Okay, so maybe being the first to call him isn't the most important thing in the world, but the fact of the matter is that they went about the Kyle situation all wrong. If they didn't want him, they should have just said, "Thanks for all you've done, but it's time to go our separate ways."
I'm not desperate, I just want them to show that they care about the well being of the team enough to at least try make something positive happen.
I absolutely agree that Wesley might have/probably wanted to see what was on the table and I don't have a problem with him doing that AT ALL. I just wish the Jazz would put themselves out there before they decide to lay back and watch everything else happen.
I love this team and I'm going to cheer for them regardless of the team they put out there on opening now, I'm just seriously disappointed in how they've handled this off season. It isn't the time to be passive.
I'm not desperate, I just want them to show that they care about the well being of the team enough to at least try make something positive happen.
I absolutely agree that Wesley might have/probably wanted to see what was on the table and I don't have a problem with him doing that AT ALL. I just wish the Jazz would put themselves out there before they decide to lay back and watch everything else happen.
I love this team and I'm going to cheer for them regardless of the team they put out there on opening now, I'm just seriously disappointed in how they've handled this off season. It isn't the time to be passive.
Lets Hope! The greedy players need to come back to earth. The one thing that owners should not give in to is guaranteed contracts. The NBA needs to follow the example of the NFL. Get these pansy *** players to actually work for the money they are paid.
Now - Back on topic - The Jazz will match JUST to save face if nothing else.
This is excellent point. Portland emerged as a suitor only within last few days. And we have supposedly been interested for over 2 weeks. It would make a lot of sense to offer same deal as CJ got 4-16, and get Wes locked up early. I doubt he would be looking too hard elsewhere as a RFA, if we just gave him same deal as CJ got. And of course the deal would not be front loaded, so CAP hit and front money would be about 3.5 or so. But we did nothing, as always, and ended up in a tough situation again. Just like with CJ, just like with Millsap. How many times is it going to take for the Jazz FO to get off their asses and avoid making same mistakes over and over again?
Hedda Gambler
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I know I`m far from being an expert on the inner workings of the NBA, but a lot of you rather angry guys in here seem to both be doing the mistake of comparing absolutes to relatives while at the same time living in the past. $5 million is a hell of a lot of money, but in today`s market it is not enough to get anyone much better than Wes - at least not to Utah. If we want to compete we have to build a new team and Wes Matthews is one of the best and most promising players we could hope getting. $25 for 5 seems pretty decent for both parties in this market and the Jazz should match immediately. The best thing we can hope for at the moment is for Wes, CJ and PM take another few steps while we wait for Tomic or get extremely lucky in our search for a big guy. Releasing Wes and thinking we can get someone much better for that money would just be silly.
Chad Feldheimer
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Don't be so naive. Tell me if you were in his position you wouldn't see what other offer was out there. You know other companies are interested in you and you don't even look? Come on.
Hopper
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1. What makes you think they didn't, and
2. What makes you think that's all it would take to "lock him up?"
Are you KOC's brutha-in-law or sumthin? You seem to have an extraordinary amount of "inside information" at your disposal, in this post, and in virtually every other one you make.
Darkwing Duck
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Uh, Jazz matched the CJ offer. They didn't offer it themselves. And the way Siler puts it, they DID talk to Matthews for a contract and Matthews wanted the mid level. Jazz weren't willing to offer the absolute max, and said find another team to offer you that.
gregbroncs
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What makes you think he would accept 4 and 16 when he just got 9 Million more than that? They still have Millsap at a decent # now that last year is over. They still have CJ at a good # for his contributions. And they can still have Mathews if they think he is worth the money.
I don't think he is worth it. But the Jazz played it the way the should have. Would you rather they go out and bid against themselves like they did with AK and Ostertag? Because those are the 2 worst contracts in the history of this franchise and those are the players that they decided to go out and sign before they had other suitors.
You haven't bursted anything. Of course Wes is going to ask for MLE. It's called basic negotiations. We could have counted and started negotiating rather than tell him to go find an offer if we really wanted this guy. I mean they said exact same thing to Millsap, and that didn't turn out so well, did it?
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I'm not stating my opinion on KOC or the Jazz FO but reading this reminded me of all the people complaining about the Jazz needing to wait and "let the market set the value" of previous players and getting mad that the Jazz "bid against themselves".
I know personally it is about 1.5mil per year more then I was hoping the Jazz could get Wes at, now the question is that worth losing him over?
I know personally it is about 1.5mil per year more then I was hoping the Jazz could get Wes at, now the question is that worth losing him over?
gregbroncs
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Hey if they turn this down they are now free to use the MLE on someone else and they can use the TPE's to bring in some more talent to this roster. 
Just trying to point out the bright side.
Just trying to point out the bright side.
He was an RFA (which dissuades teams from pursuing him as he is not completely Free Agent) and CJ kind of set the market with 4/16 before. So, it is certainly reasonable to assume he could accept it. Of course that was if we started negotiations and actually moved our asses. According to Siler, KOC told him to find an offer from someone else. You know, same thing he told CJ and Millsap before.
Darkwing Duck
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Why counter when the guy can just go to other teams to find the offer he wants. It's a waste of time to negotiate smaller contracts when the guy can just go to 29 teams and see what the offer would be.
And Millsap's contract is only bad for one year, the past one.