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The Paths Forward From Here

Which path should we take?

  • Compete now - Trade for a "star" (Dejounte Murray, Zach LaVine, Quickley, or a similar type player)

    Votes: 16 21.1%

  • Chill mode - Just ride the fence until next offseason

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Consolidate and roll with the young players more - trade some of KO, THT, Clarkson, Collins, Sexton

    Votes: 50 65.8%

  • Tank City - Pursue a Lauri trade that nets us a haul and start a true 3-4 year tank

    Votes: 8 10.5%
  • Total voters
    76
MT Steve said:
I really don't understand why anybody would want to trade Lauri.

The dude is only 26, wants to stay in Utah long-term, and the Jazz would have to be lucky to draft somebody that ultimately after several years ends up as good as Lauri.
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I want to trade for help for him. If we don’t want to do that the next best option is trading him.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Isn’t 2 and 3 on this list essentially the same thing? Trading some vets and getting young players more burn is still riding the fence because we’re not competing and we’re not going to be bad enough for a top-5 pick.
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Indeed.

Clarkson has had some good moments lately but make no mistake... overall he's been a HUGE negative this season. People are talking like getting rid of him plunges us into the depths of the tank. LOL. It might just as well be addition by subtraction. Pretty much the same goes for Collins.
 
Just wait for a superstar to become disgruntled, then offer a ship load of picks for them. It's inevitable, with how many are total drama queens.
 
jom2003 said:
Murray surely is. His 2022 season with the Spurs was in many ways comparable to Lauri’s 2023 season with us. Is Lauri a star?
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No he wasn't lol. 53% TS% is the same as 64%? And he hasn't even been that good since.
 
Fosto said:
No he wasn't lol. 53% TS% is the same as 64%? And he hasn't even been that good since.
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1.7 DBPM was also a whole lot better than Lauri's -1 DBPM. 2022 Murray was the very definition of two way star.

And yes if you put him in a secondary role next to a ball hog who can't guard anyone, he will not be as good. Surprise surprise. But this won't the case if he's here in Utah.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Both aren’t really clear direction though.
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I understand.. 1 and 4 are the big pivots. 2 and 3 are degrees of staying patient and being opportunistic. They don't necessarily commit you in one hard direction. I think you could do either 2 or 3 now and ask yourself in the offseason if you should do options 1 or 4. They are both kind of kick the can down the road but I wanted to give more options than just do nothing, tank, or trade for a star.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I understand.. 1 and 4 are the big pivots. 2 and 3 are degrees of staying patient and being opportunistic. They don't necessarily commit you in one hard direction. I think you could do either 2 or 3 now and ask yourself in the offseason if you should do options 1 or 4. They are both kind of kick the can down the road but I wanted to give more options than just do nothing, tank, or trade for a star.
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I feel like the time to trade Lauri would be this year though so I don’t think we should wait if that’s the direction we want to go.
 
Murray might be at the intersection of value and fit that works well for us. One of the knocks on him are he wants to operate in the midrange like a star so he's not a perfect compliment to a star.... but we kinda need that type of player. I'd still be a bit frugal with what I'd offer.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Murray might be at the intersection of value and fit that works well for us. One of the knocks on him are he wants to operate in the midrange like a star so he's not a perfect compliment to a star.... but we kinda need that type of player. I'd still be a bit frugal with what I'd offer.
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Was Collins the down payment?
 
MT Steve said:
I really don't understand why anybody would want to trade Lauri.

The dude is only 26, wants to stay in Utah long-term, and the Jazz would have to be lucky to draft somebody that ultimately after several years ends up as good as Lauri.
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All of that is true. But Ainge already showed his hand last season on that front. He had a great chance to pivot from rebuilding to reloading and going into buyer mode to get Lauri some quality help. He did nothing like that. Instead, he pulled the rug.

So there's one thing we know for sure – Danny is not going to build this team around Lauri. He may give him a max extension (hey, you have to pay somebody on your roster) and watch as Lauri keeps losing with the youngins for several years. Or trade him later on. Or treat him as a basic, overpaid building block who will be the calming veteran influence on an up-and-coming Jazz team when he's around 30.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Murray might be at the intersection of value and fit that works well for us. One of the knocks on him are he wants to operate in the midrange like a star so he's not a perfect compliment to a star.... but we kinda need that type of player. I'd still be a bit frugal with what I'd offer.
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We are like dead last in the league for midrange/pullups so...
 
Elizah Huge said:
Isn’t 2 and 3 on this list essentially the same thing? Trading some vets and getting young players more burn is still riding the fence because we’re not competing and we’re not going to be bad enough for a top-5 pick.
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I dont think it's riding the fence because it's clearly saying that we care way more about developing for the future than winning now.

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Imo top priority is #3, but Id rather do that by getting a high upside contributor, so I voted for 1.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
All of that is true. But Ainge already showed his hand last season on that front. He had a great chance to pivot from rebuilding to reloading and going into buyer mode to get Lauri some quality help. He did nothing like that. Instead, he pulled the rug.

So there's one thing we know for sure – Danny is not going to build this team around Lauri. He may give him a max extension (hey, you have to pay somebody on your roster) and watch as Lauri keeps losing with the youngins for several years. Or trade him later on. Or treat him as a basic, overpaid building block who will be the calming veteran influence on an up-and-coming Jazz team when he's around 30.
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I'm not sure how "Danny wanted to tank for a shot at Wemby" logically flows to "Danny is never going to try to build around Lauri"
 
jom2003 said:
Murray surely is. His 2022 season with the Spurs was in many ways comparable to Lauri’s 2023 season with us. Is Lauri a star?
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Change the word "is" to"was"?

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Either way, I'd much prefer Murray and Quickley over Lavine. Because they both have the potential to actually be star level players. And we need a playmaking star player next to Lauri, who can't create for ****.
 
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