Potential Trade Targets

[Handlogten's Heros]

I honestly think Mikal is a little overrated. If I were BKN, I would try to move for Don and swap those two players.

Nah if you trade for Don put those two together. They homies and Nets can be the 6 seed for like 4-5 years in a row and call it a win.

Mikal is awesome. Not overrated at all imo. If he's your third best player you can win a title. Plays every game. Great contract. If a team rolled out a Rudy of Don package then by all means move him now.

 

[HeatCheck]

I honestly think Mikal is a little overrated. If I were BKN, I would try to move for Don and swap those two players.

If the Knicks are not going to seriously bid on Don I might think the Nets could potentially put together a good enough package for him without including Bridges.

The Heat might be the only other serious bidder assuming he hits the trade block in the summer with only one year left on his contract.

 

[KqWIN]

Nah if you trade for Don put those two together. They homies and Nets can be the 6 seed for like 4-5 years in a row and call it a win.

Mikal is awesome. Not overrated at all imo. If he's your third best player you can win a title. Plays every game. Great contract. If a team rolled out a Rudy of Don package then by all means move him now.

It would be nice, but even if you can't pair those two.....Don >>>> Mikal imo. Mikal as a higher usage player is vastly overrated, and who knows if he wants to get back to playing defense + smaller offensive role. I don't know if those two actually have equal value, but I would say Mikal is overrated in comparison to Don for sure.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It would be nice, but even if you can't pair those two.....Don >>>> Mikal imo. Mikal as a higher usage player is vastly overrated, and who knows if he wants to get back to playing defense + smaller offensive role. I don't know if those two actually have equal value, but I would say Mikal is overrated in comparison to Don for sure.

Value in trade and value on court are different and there are just a lot of factors. Right now I would say they value is equal-ish but next summer I'd rather have Mikal... just an extra year on that deal and will make half as much over the first two years (assuming you retain Don). We should want Don to stay in Cleveland through this season imo as his trade value will take a decent decline as an expiring contract... maybe it falls to the point they just decide not to move him and ride it out.

Now when we traded Don... he definitely had more value than Mikal, but there is no urgency for Brooklyn to move Mikal right now especially in a move that is lateral-ish.

 

[jom2003]

Hawks are doing a retool imo... so forget what they need. I think they just try and maximize whatever assets they can get for Bogey, Murray, Capela.... and retool from there. They will hold those guys if they don't get a good return. Quin would be happy to have a familiar friend to tell others what a great coach he is.

Bucks are a bad fit. Hard to match contracts. Knicks might be the best fit. GS I think is a solid fit since they need more creators.

JC basically needs to be advertised as the cheap alternative to lavine and capitalize on teams hesitating to make a move for the fomer

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

JC basically needs to be advertised as the cheap alternative to lavine and capitalize on teams hesitating to make a move for the fomer

No need to advertise JC. People know what he is. The contract is easier to move next year but he’s basically worth an expiring and a handful of seconds. If a team needs a bench scorer they will call us.

 

[jom2003]

I honestly think Mikal is a little overrated.

Not at his current contract. Mikal is overrated in terms of people thinking his 26ppg production with the Nets over 20 games were sustainable. But he's still one of the most valuable guys in points per dollar. He never misses a game and can literally guard every position/play every role asked of him. Every team will want a guy like him with his contract, which inevitably causes the price to hike.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Not at his current contract. Mikal is overrated in terms of people thinking his 26ppg production with the Nets over 20 games were sustainable. But he's still one of the most valuable guys in points per dollar. He never misses a game and can literally guard every position/play every role asked of him. Every team will want a guy like him with his contract, which inevitably causes the price to hike.

Id like to see him as a 2nd option. He's basically been a 1,3 or 4 in terms of scoring option but he's probably best suited as a 2nd.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

No need to advertise JC. People know what he is. The contract is easier to move next year but he’s basically worth an expiring and a handful of seconds. If a team needs a bench scorer they will call us.

Count me out, then.
If I were running things, I wouldn't move JC this year or next for less than a late-first rounder. (Unless the goal is to tank)

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I'm watching Nikola Jovic right now, and he looks interesting. I wonder what the Heat would want for him.

 

[KqWIN]

Value in trade and value on court are different and there are just a lot of factors. Right now I would say they value is equal-ish but next summer I'd rather have Mikal... just an extra year on that deal and will make half as much over the first two years (assuming you retain Don). We should want Don to stay in Cleveland through this season imo as his trade value will take a decent decline as an expiring contract... maybe it falls to the point they just decide not to move him and ride it out.

Now when we traded Don... he definitely had more value than Mikal, but there is no urgency for Brooklyn to move Mikal right now especially in a move that is lateral-ish.

That’s kind of the point. Mikal’s trade value is very inflated compared to the value he provides on the court. When I hear BKN say their plan is to build around Mikal…..I think that’s a mistake. IMO he’s best as a minus-usage player who can put his energy into defense. If he’s an average usage player, his efficiency is going to be about average. Above average usage, well he’s going to be a bit below average like he is right now. But he’s also not a high usage player that bring a a ton of value by breaking down the defense and opening up things for others. I also believe an increased offensive role comes at a cost to his defense.

If their value is equalish, they should make that trade. Don will provide much more on court value and trade value means nothing unless you actually trade that player. If they sit in Bridges and keep his role as is I think he will lose his luster as a trade piece and he will also not bring them the success they are hoping for.

I’m not speaking at all from a Jazz perspective btw. I’m just saying that if I was a BKN fan, I’d be looking to cash in on Mikal at peak value.

 

[KqWIN]

Not at his current contract. Mikal is overrated in terms of people thinking his 26ppg production with the Nets over 20 games were sustainable. But he's still one of the most valuable guys in points per dollar. He never misses a game and can literally guard every position/play every role asked of him. Every team will want a guy like him with his contract, which inevitably causes the price to hike.

Never said he was overpaid…he’s just not as good of a player as people think.

 

[HermanG]

The issue with the Nets is they don't own their own picks... so why rebuild. May as well wait out a couple years. They have a great roster if they were to land a guy like Donovan and I think that could happen in a couple ways. If Cleveland takes it all the way to FA I think Nets can outright sign him. They may get him cheaper than you think if Don finally does the trade demand with preferred destinations.

I think the best option for the Nets, as ugly as it sounds, is to become a low to mid level farm team who doesnt try to compete but just tries to stay afloat while maximizing player value and selling guys high, untill they regain control of their own draft. I think all other plans like "build around Bridges" or "try to hold on to guys to be a pseudo-competitive team" are just doomed with the assets they dont have and 5 years from now they are still gonna be mid and poor.

Its also the best strategy for the only good path out of their current state. That is simply to get lucky and have someone pop. Churning through guys should increase the odds of finding a diamond in the rough.

And I know 4 years of purgatory followed by a tank sounds like a bad plan, but it may be the "best plan available".

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the best option for the Nets, as ugly as it sounds, is to become a low to mid level farm team who doesnt try to compete but just tries to stay afloat while maximizing player value and selling guys high, untill they regain control of their own draft. I think all other plans like "build around Bridges" or "try to hold on to guys to be a pseudo-competitive team" are just doomed with the assets they dont have and 5 years from now they are still gonna be mid and poor.

Its also the best strategy for the only good path out of their current state. That is simply to get lucky and have someone pop. Churning through guys should increase the odds of finding a diamond in the rough.

And I know 4 years of purgatory followed by a tank sounds like a bad plan, but it may be the "best plan available".

Nah... they have Suns draft (looking good) and other decent picks like the Philly pick and a Dallas pick and swap down the line. I definitely hold Bridges unless someone blows me away with an offer. I retain all the talent I can at decent prices... they may sign Donovan in FA or get a steep discount in a trade for him (they have all teh leverages maybe?). At very least they should invest in a real pg and offload one of Dinwiddie or Thomas (one gunner is enough). I would move DFS and/or Royce but just because they don't really need them. See if you can get Don for Cam Johnson and a couple picks in the offseason. If you can't wait until the summer and see what FA yields... Bridges can be on the market kind of but don't force a sale as there is no benefit to being bad for a few years. They have plenty of spots they can churn in the meantime. I would not rush to become the Wiz without any picks the next few years.

I'm going to wait as long as possible to sign up for a purgatory and tank plan. Bridges still has great value next year, the year after that maybe it goes down... but he will be extension eligible so an acquirer may still pay close to full ticket price.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Count me out, then.
If I were running things, I wouldn't move JC this year or next for less than a late-first rounder. (Unless the goal is to tank)

I just am ready so I'd sell a bit lower than I am sure some would.

 

[HermanG]

Nah... they have Suns draft (looking good) and other decent picks like the Philly pick and a Dallas pick and swap down the line. I definitely hold Bridges unless someone blows me away with an offer. I retain all the talent I can at decent prices... they may sign Donovan in FA or get a steep discount in a trade for him (they have all teh leverages maybe?). At very least they should invest in a real pg and offload one of Dinwiddie or Thomas (one gunner is enough). I would move DFS and/or Royce but just because they don't really need them. See if you can get Don for Cam Johnson and a couple picks in the offseason. If you can't wait until the summer and see what FA yields... Bridges can be on the market kind of but don't force a sale as there is no benefit to being bad for a few years. They have plenty of spots they can churn in the meantime. I would not rush to become the Wiz without any picks the next few years.

I'm going to wait as long as possible to sign up for a purgatory and tank plan. Bridges still has great value next year, the year after that maybe it goes down... but he will be extension eligible so an acquirer may still pay close to full ticket price.

But if they churn through those assets without adding new ones, what will they be? Mid team who is looking to get a lucky late lotto or late first pick that hopefully turns them into a contender. Its not like they have enough to turn them into a contender by shopping with them.

They dont have the "tank option", and they really dont have the "win now" option either without taking massive gambles which could result in them being bad for a decade.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

But if they churn through those assets without adding new ones, what will they be? Mid team who is looking to get a lucky late lotto or late first pick that hopefully turns them into a contender. Its not like they have enough to turn them into a contender by shopping with them.

They dont have the "tank option", and they really dont have the "win now" option either without taking massive gambles which could result in them being bad for a decade.

Right but if you sell off some assets and pair Don, Bridges, whatever is left then its a playoff team. Extend those guys and sell when the tank is open if you want. They also have an opportunity in 1.5 years to just sign Don outright in FA. I wait until next trade deadline at the earliest to move Bridges... again unless someone comes with a MONSTER offer. His value won't change much at all and you get no benefit of going from mid to ****. Hell if you sign Bridges and Don (even if you traded for him) you might sell them off for more than you can now or more than you paid for them in Don's case... so its better basketball and more profitable.

They should go get Tyus Jones for now and see what that does. They've had some guys pop a bit already with Sharpe and Thomas (though he fell off a cliff). Not sure extra churn is worth being a tank team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Right now I am just basically on board with trading either JC or KO for space and second rounders (or better picks). I don't want Lavine with how Sexton is playing... Murray would be nice but Dunn is fine at his price for now. Go on ahead and bargain hunt Danny but don't force a "star" trade.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What would it take to turn John Collins into Jerami Grant?

 

[HermanG]

Right but if you sell off some assets and pair Don, Bridges, whatever is left then its a playoff team. Extend those guys and sell when the tank is open if you want. They also have an opportunity in 1.5 years to just sign Don outright in FA. I wait until next trade deadline at the earliest to move Bridges... again unless someone comes with a MONSTER offer. His value won't change much at all and you get no benefit of going from mid to ****. Hell if you sign Bridges and Don (even if you traded for him) you might sell them off for more than you can now or more than you paid for them in Don's case... so its better basketball and more profitable.

They should go get Tyus Jones for now and see what that does. They've had some guys pop a bit already with Sharpe and Thomas (though he fell off a cliff). Not sure extra churn is worth being a tank team.

While I like that for putting out a better product, I'm not sure they will ever be a real contender that way. Just a perennial first/second round exit.

But yeah if they can get Don and extend both him and Bridges then they arent really churning assets, just moving them forward really.