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Ochai surprises me a lot. At times they are "oh my" super athletic surprising moments. Other times they are star tree's George Takei Ohhhhh Myyyyyy he really botched that moments.

Keyonte is in the exact same boat though.

They are both still learning and have room to grow. I like Ochai. But summer league Ochai was very disappointing.
 
Release the Kraken said:
So B/R thinks that Dejounte Murray to the Jazz is a possibility and that we would be the frontrunners in such a deal. Yes it is intriguing, however it means that all of a sudden that DA who has projected the Jazz as a Seller does a 180 to being a big time buyer. It would require at least two firsts and players as we'd be in competition with the Lakers. But he'd certainly be an upgrade at the point - B/R makes the case for his return to Floor General.
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That's terrible.

We all know DM would be coming in with the attitude that he owns this team and will do whatever he wants. In the media, the trade would be framed as "Utah finally found their #1", which would make me puke.

Just don't understand the love affair people have with this type of player. We need guys ready and willing to play team ball.
 
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Tremendous Upside said:
That's terrible.

We all know DM would be coming in with the attitude that he owns this team and will do whatever he wants. In the media, the trade would be framed as "Utah finally found their #1", which would make me puke.

Just don't understand the love affair people have with this type of player. We need people ready and willing to play team ball.
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Heard the locked on hawks guy talking about him and it definitely made me move more towards passing on him. Nothing crazy… just some stuff that would likely drive us crazy.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Ochai surprises me a lot. At times they are "oh my" super athletic surprising moments. Other times they are star tree's George Takei Ohhhhh Myyyyyy he really botched that moments.

Keyonte is in the exact same boat though.

They are both still learning and have room to grow. I like Ochai. But summer league Ochai was very disappointing.
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They are not in the same boat. Keyonte is a rookie that played one year in college and just turned 20. Ochai played 4 years and has a season of NBA experience under his belt and will be 24 in April. Ochai's shooting has regressed. His percentages have been poor for a while, and even worse, they aren't small misses. Hey may end up turning a corner, but his window to do so is much smaller than Keyonte's. He has has some very good transition D, but as others have said, his half court defense is just ok. I would not be sad to see him traded for a decent frp.

Key does a lot of good and bad stuff, which is normal for a 20 year old. He still needs to improve a lot, especially in D and lazy passing, but despite his poor 3pt% his shot looks pretty good, usually missing back iron. I expect he'll take a big leap next year.
 
Release the Kraken said:
So B/R thinks that Dejounte Murray to the Jazz is a possibility and that we would be the frontrunners in such a deal. Yes it is intriguing, however it means that all of a sudden that DA who has projected the Jazz as a Seller does a 180 to being a big time buyer. It would require at least two firsts and players as we'd be in competition with the Lakers. But he'd certainly be an upgrade at the point - B/R makes the case for his return to Floor General.

The whole DM discussion is a real head scratcher to me as: a) he doesn't appear to be the problem, and b) he has decent stats and has been on a tear recently. Watching him interact with Snyder, I think it has more to do with aloof persona which might also be interpreted as defiant. He doesn't always do what he's instructed to do. He might fit in better here or he might be the next THT dog in the doghouse.

Also I suspect that Snyder is pushing for a trade as it means draft capital and gives him a reprieve for the season.
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10106229-surprise-landing-spots-for-rumored-nba-trade-deadline-targets
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The Jazz and OKC would be front runners in any deal they wanted to be in on....
 
TheGoldStandard said:
They are not in the same boat. Keyonte is a rookie that played one year in college and just turned 20. Ochai played 4 years and has a season of NBA experience under his belt and will be 24 in April. Ochai's shooting has regressed. His percentages have been poor for a while, and even worse, they aren't small misses. Hey may end up turning a corner, but his window to do so is much smaller than Keyonte's. He has has some very good transition D, but as others have said, his half court defense is just ok. I would not be sad to see him traded for a decent frp.

Key does a lot of good and bad stuff, which is normal for a 20 year old. He still needs to improve a lot, especially in D and lazy passing, but despite his poor 3pt% his shot looks pretty good, usually missing back iron. I expect he'll take a big leap next year.
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Ochai window is still pretty huge. He has two more years on his roomie deal.
 
Kuminga is finally breaking out in GSW, which leaves them with a tough decision to make as he doesn't fit Curry/Klay/Draymond’s timeline. The kid will need to get paid soon and I doubt he has any interest to continue playing for Kerr. There’s a window of opportunity to buy low on a future all-star and I think we should make a move.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Pretty soon he'll be closer to 30 than 20.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
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I mean, yeah, I'm not saying I expect Ochai to ever to be a guy who is really worth much, but if you're a high character professional who can knock down a corner 3 at a high rate and defend stars, you have a place on a NBA team for as long as your defense is still relevant.
 
Also Ochai has doubled his block and steal rate this season. It's not like this season has been a step back in any way. It might not be a massive step forward, but he has increased his defensive activity to be more affective than just a man defender.
 
TheGoldStandard said:
He was a good and willing passer with the Spurs. I would appreciate that.
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The stuff that was said... the defense is there at times for a few minutes if he locks in but when he's not locked in its pretty bad. He isn't strong enough to guard the bigger wings and is more useful against point guards... just not as versatile as advertised. He also said he does move the ball but he's a guy that likes to hold and assess a bit more than is ideal. Its an issue with (checks the roster) all of our guards except maybe Key. Again... its not stuff that is a deal killer but its stuff that stops me from sayin "just throw two picks at em and get it done!!!"
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Heard the locked on hawks guy talking about him and it definitely made me move more towards passing on him. Nothing crazy… just some stuff that would likely drive us crazy.
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This has been my concern about him all along. He seems a bit immature and may still have some ego issues. Has there been locker room problems because of it? Maybe. Don’t know. Pretty sure Danny/Zanik have looked into this if they consider trading for him.
 
underdog said:
This has been my concern about him all along. He seems a bit immature and may still have some ego issues. Has there been locker room problems because of it? Maybe. Don’t know. Pretty sure Danny/Zanik have looked into this if they consider trading for him.
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@HermanG had some great quotes from Hardy as well about not wanting a vet pg. He would have direct intel from their time together. If we pass I'm comfortable knowing we had a lot of info.

I'm not sure its an attitude thing at all. I think its just something that happens when you go from a defensive "star" to an offensive "star". Offense is more fun and pays more most of the time. Like Mikal Bridges defense has slipped big time too now that he is doing more. I would expect a guy like Murray to have some slippage on defense but when you aren't locked in being really bad or completely inattentive is a red flag to me. Holding the ball a little too long is also a pet peeve of mine when watching or playing.
 
Release the Kraken said:
True unless perhaps a player option is involved. But DA hasn’t made any suggestion that he’s in the buyer’s market this season. Is B/R just grabbing this stuff out of thin air?
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That's what Bleacher Report does.
 
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